From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x129.google.com (mail-lf1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 545783B29D for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x129.google.com with SMTP id t23so1948292lfk.6 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:51:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=DRglpPbuYjnUiHy2QEHxR/sfXSOTOMlQJiFJCPq3EHo=; b=YKihK013Uh8Dwp7+6+dzqnVnTcwID0JUDFhel7NNX9iZJzrMwPiMD64yadIyuYahwa orFtqubefh2m2kZmVGwICraRksfhi2SpQDOoIG3rXwZheE/AlDnSD1pJNQGa3R2Wx8fO cz44sKkNsxM3GqMZ3phDn/dp2in2+1b5PxlZj1qCsGdCJgcsiSZcUSw1DyaExHwmTK+V E1f1TxAJQdGhsd29x9EHL1dOeJ6Hd0sUHo4ZUoJZuZllxBxA/GZ56wJ60McXqwDUrFOS K2d390CKSvA12KGwnRI0i8zyDIQ1H2rmhuTANEeKsKchhgOwfvZ+qjIA9s517FxCkEGB JjcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=DRglpPbuYjnUiHy2QEHxR/sfXSOTOMlQJiFJCPq3EHo=; b=WmPfz8EYvS9qPYtT8YU8iOK/i0bcPavIW55ffgZxR3j7zdp26uIbWBE46T0oV6wapX eEtBVYUMCqiRYjmb/aYgfXoxq6QyaKCJx1DxLzvzm7YFiaOx6BRVHMzf1ewTsRs3nsAL SVPmY8CgosrJpiixKxS+YQPRGkdw2dnIFxbEdA+I0bVVGc8Bvh+XipBUwQBzTUZpHLNb mEJt4GkQQ/auimj/dBtZgpkshSqp6Wqh1Yu+BHf0sDIy+I7Ingyjxy+ntbTItz99DJxd UWggLON6LDFdPgb7WBVV4WHoPsbBlTi3Jx39/qoBhMMGIuQKvEdH4mgHf2GCG1a+08Ax ItOA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVAGDjR2HC4+7zoOXWyLeo+pEWT2aaSzzqO+lYuBHhNGiBsj20a fR/VvpIHlUiOokiUl9Cm4FE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwByaUF+jnAHDepbSUTJdw+xIHluxzJp+EWdwskGBcQHZ0W+v44C1nVHu2J/8PWO931lj1WRA== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5596:: with SMTP id v22mr6983422lfg.200.1581522666109; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-229-102-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.229.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y2sm518909ljm.28.2020.02.12.07.51.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:51:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 17:51:03 +0200 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Daniel Sterling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] is extremely consistent low-latency for e.g. xbox possible on SoHo networks w/o manual configuration? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:51:07 -0000 > On 12 Feb, 2020, at 6:55 am, Daniel Sterling = wrote: >=20 > * first and foremost, to the exclusion of all other goals, consistent > low-latency for non-bulk streams from particular endpoints; usually > those streams are easily identified and differentiated from all other > streams based on UDP/TCP port number, This is the ideal situation for simply deploying Cake without any = special effort. Just tell it the capacity of the link it's controlling, = minus a modest margin (say 1% upstream, 5% downstream). You should be pleasantly surprised by the results. - Jonathan Morton=