From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A52B3CB3F for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 23:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id e17so7133827ljf.13 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 20:24:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=+yOSra2b+8RChFgDhQvjoZ2Vu1qWALG+QMZtncZ2ugU=; b=mi9Qp/qxXvgbBMNaGXc+fMU1KDzCoS54mOI3/cp7KYz3UJ9haKxwLdJpeszFIMcku2 qXpg112xQkDuL1/aYVA699H0EdXmF5CTekTaK2gWJX3s3zwfJ+ZA7WIDFlgfKoS14Ycr V/6YaFK38nSNFiaLkpgiUnobD+RfhDarLpdd6EqehWjfaMOKkbFBaz5Fh8zY9hroaHbw dpZrRXjzROsYqTXMfw+9reULe43FqBRtzcaiW9Zq6VsLrGcqhrHi/vTjh7Gb683eERY5 EzLnUtNL8zwOMll6IqO+CsFjyUIf6yMl+ugJwaay75ZyIFs3OIoswSrf1fLN11uakPi9 f1bQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=+yOSra2b+8RChFgDhQvjoZ2Vu1qWALG+QMZtncZ2ugU=; b=uQODWQ5Jx99UYrbRh1Ou2sp6XG4nJ8hPyTtxNX1Ghag6+iWVnAlbfcx6k2+Vqis34I kIqI99HXftBmtuJLdkod5sCG7gufc/oxZ6g9m9xvBpwH78Mz9nan6jj7sc9FYWDwIgRu TuWS6CFQRPNSZ5ekGkOscQm00iFVJtVfnImAK96vWE6Lr1SSnzh9//ZzTJZes+TAE4Ng g9P4gZC5wOU1nSIbQIHHK/1zAtn+5eR4RL6yziJgPPbzWzy/Q4NxWIJ5Mbesr6s8SDRi 8XKitzU3mCwdPSqH3oTXTJ00dIuG9eQu/281M0BXTL6UULs82OwzzlO7FOfIC5x5ztls wl0w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVgLBluWZkampGZMqd0eS/VkDtIfEi1hZiBeMc5TGJGpBIkG/LN C1jwaZko7VbQ6dCqDvScZMy+2KIkGLQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxWhPbO/0hoq1/Zp6KmbyEOW3/zVE9Y0w+j1Q1jqGDXhb3rhO/syE6aPN/0FEKo8F5ETH+SsA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8004:: with SMTP id j4mr21157669ljg.231.1567567451047; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 20:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-237-193-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.237.193]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o15sm3226421lff.22.2019.09.03.20.24.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2019 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <877e6ooilc.fsf@taht.net> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 06:24:07 +0300 Cc: Kenneth Porter , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <614481A6-1C07-4C6A-AB86-10A6DEF1B5D2@gmail.com> <20190903174046.68f24735@hermes.lan> <30c6d641-b0e5-7a8f-103f-4d6f2ff0286b@sewingwitch.com> <877e6ooilc.fsf@taht.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Rigorous Coffee Shop Bloat Testing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 03:24:12 -0000 > On 4 Sep, 2019, at 6:17 am, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > =E2=80=A6and people jump off of cable as soon as > they can get fiber... but that's due to the RTT more than the = bandwidth. And also due to the downright predatory pricing/billing practices of the = typical cable ISP. I think an awful lot of people would take any viable = alternative at this point, purely due to that factor. Which is why = cable industry lobbyists are doing their level best to kill municipal = fibre. - Jonathan Morton=