From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47C293B29D for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id g20so12350381qkk.1 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=8QZ4tLhULC/hXjBHoeD+Wejy7CmX38SNQfvx6j8W4m0=; b=sypD8kU1jWTD6Z+Ksu2ZPvXmuPvo5aUpLD8JcdJUScuVt1+UZoKHE/oZH1/Oox2oUL CIf/a1wYRf7frKS9yX0PSOhXJQlxJzd0dOKD9U9OItUf8svpDR/a/jeftxHDjMTjYVx8 sc8Nk6B4Htgl3w5Ka3AQgBIY34/UAFWWEKK67Nk355zLvtPaON7HlaNzznARp3uUc4kz yqsIvxVUOlLthX2gQls4aecg+WdPN527Fz3faVgFBnKNS2rqOGqV7saCEETmQEcS6w/1 yOMpU9rRUqgULMLSN6GEsV2xmacSCI5Oby4OeXIfk6aFO1HmhEWc3azrypTzjFDZIdAx 0k2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=8QZ4tLhULC/hXjBHoeD+Wejy7CmX38SNQfvx6j8W4m0=; b=DRnpbitsjVgqWS0oBxF3gGpRT7nQY96zJt+7RMVL2TgjjC+ImFAfNp/jabwt2p4nr6 VUYnpiOHJzyLAgx4m6BfiRWGTxKwgHsMB6FHVLdodKfI9CBsLMwmHihuIB9nQK+i6Trr bRJeESpoRiSeajltyxfPdkY3suFUXtyHctjNzW9b126tw30H495TzlBxkAYv6Wvk72WJ G4wXeEG0QcVWV1DQtPP/W9PlmQRSotytNwlC0sKmupRV6vGQAuoPkSKYXuipJjS6z3x7 DXo5C/yLA7JVZVXX4Ij0Mm43JcBN5u6zRTOjrWFncskxCFGjzj/lUWpb+wY3D5Xr/jD3 uHHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532mrOSUbgVLasXlwR2wO1vBk1bYLIlarHlkufuch5pCcqRIeMRw Z4E/ofIrNVSNKwE8nWsTFaXAnaqsX7z0dA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzivgY2t3JDKVeFVEc98hlbKe+i5exAz0JAoiSBMrvTs9zAw2+pcb9kmx4yyydCSIyjPDDkQQ== X-Received: by 2002:ae9:e40b:: with SMTP id q11mr26150920qkc.318.1617645611496; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-pro.lan ([198.55.239.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u11sm12246552qta.91.2021.04.05.11.00.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Apr 2021 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:00:10 -0400 References: <9A233C8C-5C48-4483-A087-AA5FE1011388@gmail.com> To: bloat , "Richard E. Brown" In-Reply-To: <9A233C8C-5C48-4483-A087-AA5FE1011388@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article - question #2 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:00:12 -0000 Thanks, all, for the responses re: Bufferbloat definition. I can work = with that information. Next question... > 2) All network equipment can be bloated. I have seen (but not really = followed) controversy regarding the amount of buffering needed in the = Data Center. Is it worth having the Wikipedia article distinguish = between Data Center equipment and CPE/home/last mile equipment? = Similarly, is the "bloat condition" and its mitigation qualitatively = different between those applications? Finally, do any of us know how = frequently data centers/backbone ISPs experience buffer-induced = latencies? What's the magnitude of the impact? Many thanks! Rich