From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:58:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C93B6898-823C-4AB1-BC3C-9271DEB9F0C8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.75.62.1611231040050.9765@qynat-yncgbc>
> On 23 Nov, 2016, at 20:46, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>
> Do you need a device that ships with the fixes in it from the factory?
I think this is what we should aim for. That would greatly simplify installation for Joe Average, and it could serve as an anchor point in the wider industry.
Ideally, it would have official mutual support with LEDE or OpenWRT, so that updates to the latter automatically propagate. Even if it takes a month between writing a patch and being sure it’s reached end-users, that’s still a major improvement over the status quo.
It’s much harder to rely on firmware replacement on existing devices, because the latter can change hardware on the same model number without notice, or simply discontinue manufacture in favour of a new model. That makes a minefield for networking novices to wade through. So it’s fine for experimentation among ourselves, and for a certain type of early-adopter, but not for the average gamer.
- Jonathan Morton
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2016-11-23 18:16 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2016-11-23 19:15 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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2016-11-26 15:33 ` [Bloat] Fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-27 1:53 ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27 6:10 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:11 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 2:16 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28 6:00 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48 ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:47 ` David Lang
2016-11-22 15:32 [Bloat] fixing " Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23 8:28 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59 ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05 ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
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