From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x130.google.com (mail-il1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C7F73CB48; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x130.google.com with SMTP id f5so617836ilq.5; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RrH1g54ra3hvksFVyGEiqUNU4it5tA8hmAxAuugreA=; b=SF5lQBJF93kmytZLUwU76Rt0YyhcWE9+X1Nxcl+OnZtF+9F0PGWL6rCyC9I1N4cNCc EHXXHAjtR7yOYL2u2sHjm4T/lDij0KeRCX0G6s8QyCsr2sneDMoOh/noEgts91J3UjHF 9w0B3JkttkjXaZOIejTllMC2En8bTDSTcUqGJxZ5OW8qzlS1aY5aQwy62Cn5hJkcADun G7ZjzchIrg3KKk6cBUDkpOo+r/HREpikg76a/hlopNoWNOEQR/WK3yjEgc7fshLIDFfI 3Pfws+H3e5GANmkuIHG9OZ6QePqGGDYbyTRI8V12YG07ctiRpQUDSI3MwYhqTFm183Ue Bu0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RrH1g54ra3hvksFVyGEiqUNU4it5tA8hmAxAuugreA=; b=qnzEANaWKB5EgqwFSpArJqdIG61cIKtXGzxX+x8NATVnXsBvHZIjk3s7WFKiKRVzFt VXlmxEGKxX2t+2oo3TR7ozlWR7Ck9eVcWURvbLKTkBN50X0PJAyYsAVpA3lJalQhpGmW 3KrjffFyPxDiNU1bk8xSX4U/5CBayl2fUlMuHtlSFw9isNjPMy/g7IkqsiGaxNGEB3MH uUYAaWlOIBFwFqAQcbX8aBI/OfIB+pOVd4ByJxV+J0/w8GpWOidNoNIHc1kmOpNu7ygG jDtWovXdVIwDQuX9IuwVU8AjpC86DEXYxIFnaN/qIvfe756S5VcBR76RaE8MTZbSoxk8 5alg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWDW/M+raFXniLTfiScPBbRreHQIwJz3Ytzvw6lJkf0YCq+bSW9 s4OXVrctwKxgefbNw1qdk6KIW2BQDhTAcd/re8A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxkMSmGCQWEAYe+2BnaAl5ESAH5+Bzr1lSah7EVz3rI5n3I0xA4o9jTyNkjd5a55O4stN1IXMZcRvx/v438NdA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:3d49:: with SMTP id k70mr1362914ila.246.1576272323926; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:25:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:25:12 -0800 Message-ID: To: Carlo Augusto Grazia Cc: Make-Wifi-fast , bloat , jamshid@whatsapp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] the future belongs to pacing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:25:24 -0000 and everything we know about the tcp macroscopic model, is obsolete, according to a provocative paper by matt mathis and Jamshid Mahdavi in sigcomm. https://ccronline.sigcomm.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/acmdl19-323.pdf On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:05 PM Carlo Augusto Grazia wrote: > > Hi Dave, > thank you for your email! > Toke told me about AQL a couple of weeks ago, I definitely want to test i= t ASAP. > BBR struggles a lot on Wi-Fi interfaces (ones with aggregation) with kern= el 4.14 & 4.19. > Anyway, it seems that with BBRv2 on new kernels this problem does not exi= st anymore. > > Best regards > Carlo > > Il giorno ven 13 dic 2019 alle 20:54 Dave Taht ha s= critto: >> >> https://sci-hub.tw/10.1109/WiMOB.2019.8923418 >> >> It predates the aql work, but the bbr result is puzzling. >> >> >> -- >> Make Music, Not War >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >> CTO, TekLibre, LLC >> http://www.teklibre.com >> Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carlo Augusto Grazia, Ph. D. > Assistant Professor > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dept. of Engineering "Enzo Ferrari" > University of Modena and Reggio Emilia > Via Pietro Vivarelli, 10/1 - 41125 - Modena - Italy > Building 26, floor 2, room 28 > Tel.: +39-059-2056323 > email: carloaugusto.grazia@unimore.it > Link to my personal home page here > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --=20 Make Music, Not War Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729