From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ECA63B29E for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id 2so12148006ilg.9 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:40:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LeLezH68QSSJXGROGXr3iC5yyimz7Ah9TzTVD+wxZOU=; b=DUTG8mHFSjDjq0XhGtaBpIuMaYv6/tqYNnq7VrL476HIpYtsm57p9Wi8pobhuvvaXR 7pI5oCYvBLYO3pUkuUS6GsK31Db6OdrkjACHXGl355oyTGStFGNHbpnEzOyBFJkN7EiY etDve7TzZyv6iE2bei4UB8pfs3rLfTnSW+FcoxiVih7zWWaKVAtkruyQIxiECEei1jXt cJ49yDZbILXEIR64SXnBd7ZZS3+zKQvZyTAmBXbCtHcOAmquZYsD4Y8+FOEsHcKKsH4x kuw7AwGOKyDoggsa5eSCEdEeAoaXp6JijlRsLWKMVjsLpnQQMWjiFc4zPfu/mqGSZPrA y6Hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LeLezH68QSSJXGROGXr3iC5yyimz7Ah9TzTVD+wxZOU=; b=AJcSdyoMXvrG9vH+Q0lhE6kU1hc4eStMYifs5qt9qn/jZU2pKsSdbDyvDnmOA3JUUm iWgxy7jDy+ZFwn9U2EXaCKX+NiMfBrr3FPCyG64FiAqiQDljOwdb9/2fVSBcN8V4X7bD rX9s34HHuGt1Zfazpt0JFgVmmdxlATcjugznGyp2R2qURj62L2fER+YQvZC7dee+QVUg Hm/ArHj9eWsFcStYip7Bhoe9FLHh3I8S+XE4AQGixLxHKjHqaR31UkrMXPV4LfZy+W0h iCXUT71+YFJ1WvSFxGddCrYMDBfjK7cCvDO6NXt5c2EOOn/146TZ39mypGcLoq7DO+4k uY1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Q5LCtyJmzrHB/swz9nR7ufR869pNwSZhhLVMxk2ZEmV4NpOUS ZEowkhic6a1kSXEJjkaxjXwVThRJyec1fqrTkbg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyteQPT/fxLaWePGfnl83MW1UvLSImJb4peWOMBgUASpJUWookXY7obbF6EjkYIUPqmqtaFIaiDUnvUMATsGWY= X-Received: by 2002:a92:680b:: with SMTP id d11mr22760016ilc.287.1607805633904; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:40:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87tut51x3j.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:40:22 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=A5rtensson?= Cc: Jonathan Morton , =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , conor@conorbeh.com, bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] starlink X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:40:34 -0000 Sigh. On the plus side the hardware in use on the UFO is a pretty good QCA platform. It is speculated on another thread that it actually runs openwrt. So with a few soldiered on pins to get at a serial port or figuring out some other way into the box.... we could make a dent in thi= s. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:38 AM Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :( > > Also widely varying download speed. > > > I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink netw= ork itself. Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determi= ning whether it's at your end or the remote end. You should be able to use= dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that. > > I'm not the OP but from the reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starl= ink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/.compact), this is the= ir dslreports test: > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406433 > > It does look like the main problem is in the uplink. The download speed l= ooks much more consistent in the dslreports test but I guess that could als= o be due to the short duration of the test. > > Another user from the reddit thread showing similar results: > > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406098 > > /Jonas > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:39 PM Jonathan Morton wr= ote: >> >> > On 1 Dec, 2020, at 3:20 pm, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen via Bloat= wrote: >> > >> >> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta >> >> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did th= ree >> >> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You m= ay >> >> find the results here: >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/vie= w?usp=3Dsharing >> > >> > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :( >> >> I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink networ= k itself. Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determini= ng whether it's at your end or the remote end. You should be able to use d= slreports.com/speedtest to determine that. >> >> - Jonathan Morton >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729