From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7D533B260 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id n6so124977970qtd.1 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:10:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4p1mjCR4c/V68hVV/CJaKtjYgfJHVvvjvp4LpmV3vK4=; b=y/q+OEEer4wIxhY+cpsrqY7Q1+gzU+fXGlETJUMwpZ6qakWbJaKpkr6PBK14RAKTXs 8EG9BHMIa3GlXG0k6GmE9i2ppRq2v+z7fTeFxH1yewZaPy1BdHEsjOfcYkI54ldZKpNs E+Rx8F6p+sUzaVe/V+tUgCAZmdkNKXDviv29GMYjiBWrOJVZmfgw8Vg/apShjmMZXIvO sTwHctc/+YUm2COztNFkjCfhr5zm/+j28dyYsa5sw4+9bB5hmmiRLvy1QZM+eTckU7o+ MeV+jsYBonmEB2PSJlDBUS/wJtUFE9KWppAas+XeproRqClM/O+z8kHvXhdE7w/SNU++ LKFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4p1mjCR4c/V68hVV/CJaKtjYgfJHVvvjvp4LpmV3vK4=; b=g4AdUJTGVGwYxB8nX6ovrLHMgX5Hb/mDyCRPhNdcmYaJPGZa32noGO+b69yO4mdJ4T IUzNINzNqBcnGbfD5O29DEER+b8D8YHvD9zl2SawfMOMCOJP6QI4IgisZz16pFqK0HXw 7Yv/DjjsbnfGX1KjMUBC99IXKgaxw2xiiuP232H2OyYqhcQHxt6gtejuZbQiayW0YvJ5 y4JRDOUZmF7dgnE+qeItv2JUfiEwGH9PLCo2PWkLtvEwzqKuT1WLwEB6LII5wqSDcP58 XNuBdgXxwt/ADCCeSoKD+ooY2bGY9UT9fub/MHJe3zCOMPAAeB1s2GbHipc/hmYFATdn hrxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC028FeBhhGwOlGVLNofDiI4Zeb77V4tD7vJuZo0j+ifgTGi0BN77khnpMBXz9XAhX4rvgwnIikops6a57w== X-Received: by 10.237.61.210 with SMTP id j18mr19063891qtf.137.1480345839421; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:10:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.137.198 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:10:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <548F6875-8670-4784-8A4D-9D4E6F0F20BD@gmail.com> <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:10:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jan Ceuleers Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:10:39 -0000 The biggest problem I see with speedtest-like network testing... is the tests don't last long enough. I've begun making that joke at every presentation - pointing at the bloat spike at T+18 or T+22 seconds - how many of you only use your networks for 30 seconds a day?