From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30D263B29D; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 18:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id t4so3685790wmj.5; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:16:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7xDD2fyO4tq4fc9H6Vxz8tKkmL3I2jRssb5QAdSI+c0=; b=TFpLaXAFT5Aog4AdVt/0aFoujjcAzl5drNRA4SmmsnlPAluzQ200yXkvT/tvMcqvTy SqZQCrqqre2vd+/6O6bVdndPrVFADvuemYWZ0ah93bGB3NnVZbdKrVZdjaSWv2mlPwea yzCwkC2+fF7Qxer/mYBEZdzyAr/1pTMMXH+m6R6TPeePdwhDfYtImhXkOP5F3BEd4r7b tvHJnjeChtR6851wbklFuNsYq8gr+l/xTq76Ii3tpBzAMjofdeIfqZsdo25Cg3CBti2f FugEsK2D8WpO8w7pavdED4CB7V2u6zHWRy8RkOGZS5viLXIsXRmBJsRBEBXmaZdy6W+F 55wQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7xDD2fyO4tq4fc9H6Vxz8tKkmL3I2jRssb5QAdSI+c0=; b=7TGqztS6SdFFiQsvSVlvZfxJsdWtJxk3F9GP3RqjPqnx0DxUXZhr9XQGF5FKNNdr9r v0ZUC7EJEql65Jppb7ZqE04VwRdB6+hs09WBWbxs/lLvnOxOCArX8A32oYZVoIvKP0Aj wJFOuRweN/ICcqTZwZwxOKNs0nIL3AiYl68Oz9liZFw4CZ5s+nyjQhfB4pBnKEynnS2p MlvNJgpdZslXF4FPhuf6Cj5b/a5AxZFsJxXHl3LDCw2yJGM8keCE7EsTrKQPT7r9Rbnu LxzIuxUkTr6VJ06qEAYELnMtN5ShnC9DobV+5HFAw1GNJFgie4XNzY3FrNUz3StL+Zln JW4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmiBZUnYLWupea9bWCgBMT7PUb92iOMJLEkHEXfvvm9BXff6uVJ W5bbBBWF7QH/wL0Hsuxw+2xjlG+5ZX229ayC95+Njr3yjHQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4Vn+ewBOjAX+mHcQeU8ynqNV6zFz6GmtDDfStaziXwkC5xTKrvns8ZewDdhPjk0VRV/F7RIhg5GETumXh4SiY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4fc6:b0:3cf:6fe0:b16a with SMTP id o6-20020a05600c4fc600b003cf6fe0b16amr2518290wmq.28.1668208614797; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:16:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:16:43 -0800 Message-ID: To: libreqos , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] summarizing the bitag latency report? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 23:16:57 -0000 If you were to try to summarize this *in a paragraph*, what would you say? https://www.bitag.org/documents/BITAG_latency_explained.pdf (yes, I helped write this, but squeezing it down to less than 3 pages is beyond my capabilities, much less a paragraph, and by the time we hit the recommendations section, things had got too political to make sane recommendations) Also QoS, vs QoE. Try to imagine explaining the need to a CFO, or congresscritter. Feel free to take more than a paragraph. --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC