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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw4O18BDNgXX=1yEdoEyBk5G-+JxoKVpoqxGwbjTbGGNGg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140828184117.GA20368@kenyonralph.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Kenyon Ralph <kenyon@kenyonralph.com> wrote:
> On 2014-08-28T20:00:54+0200, Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/28/2014 06:35 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>> > When a message is lost due to an error, how do you determine whose fault
>> > it is?
>>
>> Links need to be engineered for the optimum combination of power,
>> bandwidth, overhead and residual error that meets requirements. I agree
>> with your implied point that a single error is unlikely to be indicative
>> of a real problem, but a link not meeting requirements is someone's fault.
>>
>> So like Jerry I'd be interested in an ability for endpoints to be able
>> to collect statistics on per-hop loss probabilities so that admins can
>> hold their providers accountable.
>
> Here is some relevant work:
> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2417573
> "Measurement and Analysis of Internet Interconnection and Congestion"

Wow. That gets the "paper of the month" award from me.

> --
> Kenyon Ralph
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Dave Täht

NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_0296_indecent.article

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-28 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-23 18:16 Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-23 19:30 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-23 20:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-25 17:13   ` Greg White
2014-08-25 18:09     ` Jim Gettys
2014-08-25 19:12       ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-25 21:17         ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2014-08-25 21:20           ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2014-08-28 13:19     ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-28 14:07       ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-28 17:20         ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-28 17:41           ` Dave Taht
2014-08-28 18:15           ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-29 14:21             ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-29 16:31               ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-29 16:54                 ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-28 18:59           ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-29 11:33             ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-29 12:18               ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-29 14:42               ` Dave Taht
2014-08-29  1:59           ` David Lang
2014-08-29 14:37             ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-30  6:05               ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-30  6:28                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-08-30  6:45                   ` Jonathan Morton
2014-09-01 17:30                     ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-09-01 17:40                       ` Dave Taht
2014-08-28 14:39       ` Rich Brown
2014-08-28 16:20         ` Jerry Jongerius
2014-08-28 16:35           ` Fred Baker (fred)
2014-08-28 18:00             ` Jan Ceuleers
2014-08-28 18:13               ` Dave Taht
2014-08-29  1:57                 ` David Lang
2014-08-28 18:41               ` Kenyon Ralph
2014-08-28 19:04                 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2014-08-28 16:36           ` Greg White
2014-08-28 16:52             ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2014-09-01 11:47           ` Richard Scheffenegger

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