From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EDBB21F749 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m8so1000829obr.1 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=osGh3B7yLA6XOKP+pnC0fJuPyI6UwSxNeMK9MtvaBvE=; b=UNCe1CgjNTjhcO6L5jU0/l/WJM5mTa5gOJZGzYrJhojgZQ6niRzfjju1p02ISyTjRZ oXmDft26AF/UobLeVlRT8C19UOm0Oc4bbjiY+6q0rWsLjdr8AsW4XPUYG5LkcmuKNpVj H717eMYRLh3r+WbExbx5DncjQwxNhFB9lENp6az0R2s+1rUCmcmyhX/ZdZ8WhTqrRvDI GUD1jINwXa8Kyu1InC5gBx50b9WvqgmFTyOpcHfut/9MHbWRH0inNygZb0aN9y/CSaYz LCSPmGhRZvhoMbd09r2zlj0ZU1aRb4QlNL6MVI0obtp+h6p2ri9xNsMoxjWqI0Z6qqxG qMlw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.115.133 with SMTP id jo5mr5628323oeb.39.1409252676313; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.93.69 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140828184117.GA20368@kenyonralph.com> References: <000001cfbefe$69194c70$3b4be550$@duckware.com> <000901cfc2c2$c21ae460$4650ad20$@duckware.com> <2A5BB518-351B-4598-AF79-7088D640AA06@gmail.com> <000301cfc2db$f655d3c0$e3017b40$@duckware.com> <53FF6E56.8070800@gmail.com> <20140828184117.GA20368@kenyonralph.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:04:37 -0000 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Kenyon Ralph wro= te: > On 2014-08-28T20:00:54+0200, Jan Ceuleers wrote: >> On 08/28/2014 06:35 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> > When a message is lost due to an error, how do you determine whose fau= lt >> > it is? >> >> Links need to be engineered for the optimum combination of power, >> bandwidth, overhead and residual error that meets requirements. I agree >> with your implied point that a single error is unlikely to be indicative >> of a real problem, but a link not meeting requirements is someone's faul= t. >> >> So like Jerry I'd be interested in an ability for endpoints to be able >> to collect statistics on per-hop loss probabilities so that admins can >> hold their providers accountable. > > Here is some relevant work: > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3D2417573 > "Measurement and Analysis of Internet Interconnection and Congestion" Wow. That gets the "paper of the month" award from me. > -- > Kenyon Ralph > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_0296_= indecent.article