From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1034.google.com (mail-pj1-x1034.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1034]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B0763B2A4 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pj1-x1034.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-27d1aee5aa1so4211054a91.0 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697549191; x=1698153991; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=xVDCdua565RiEkGyEPjEYB3QBS7A28KMQCdyBAJP990=; b=Lu5MNCm/PT+fetYwf78xOncz6okuIfBVDIq45WwBETdmYImNylqCnnjiNAamsngo7z 6ToP/tWONmaYasZ5OYXVduc1anSfBOOSiCrdr34p1A9pHDHeKD2FGY1QuWrWcNxOH7/G /fp19KxenKveRh5yHxrhGZ6yTBSltEW3SrO0CsKWau0lA3ioOnZeXtTlcGVjx7iAJOT9 mO/zNhRBOZjTSufaEjrOo0QP19brD0Oe9nOCiaA8N95FS382QYv5okPw8r03XkBX22Y0 fu4jKnuQl/Hmme5zmgnREAv5nev29EbYI4i7fw3m+LxdvcT4pin44UZCuBRt5VK7dJxl Y2ag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697549191; x=1698153991; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xVDCdua565RiEkGyEPjEYB3QBS7A28KMQCdyBAJP990=; b=iYCUrhRJFN1xpPmAOmRZBGjJsTKDSNbmyvuUjAnTUhXrIOkTGWqa34hUYVARJc6UVD d/wHAZfS6Vg+BWDoYLls4hWd2+lIeliRNkQQ0Sl5qJQ1nI9Iq2JdNuEBpAuAPDNUYCvd 2UjUE/IjZwoEol0AoYNtyzCCp8OEK19P/kBlV+lhCyUfcrVvYlxVMPFPzptzXIwmwQeV LkPWqen96jl/2mB9VKMyz93QPEAx27FFmoK6CRhGMFRl27KB+gssn2Vwkpwe50E6Evnu D9JjYfoXeuvoRzEVqK/g7BUkEtGL5EZfZQSmvANQtIcuwhiXfSOxIwFo6hPZyBSfly6n Fb2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwAUBIrhoP4djKeCIvHUN9Z7jOrNAF2qJQVQlsk23UP5mdfS98V eAeRIgEkujRuHpoxHNiK+swvZ3K0/XMXFafhv/9KvfPP X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGkC+2MmsL28jE27aJ2yWXLB6EbYpaCA35f649OuouHJWKECNCn8502IBHtrsLDvFVf627aC63plracIAzehrU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:1a04:b0:27d:433e:e69c with SMTP id 4-20020a17090a1a0400b0027d433ee69cmr2850078pjk.18.1697549190842; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 06:26:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <68901251-6DC5-4996-94E8-BE4DF60916AD@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <68901251-6DC5-4996-94E8-BE4DF60916AD@gmail.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 06:26:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rich Brown Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Best approach for debloating Airbnb host? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 13:26:32 -0000 I carry around a gl.inet travel router with our stuff flashed on it. If the conversation veers that way, I do a demo. I have upgraded two out of 6 airbnbs so far. Cost me 30 bucks each. :) I wish we could improve the airbnb speedtest. I have not tried it in a while, but it did not test for bloat. On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:39=E2=80=AFAM Rich Brown via Bloat wrote: > > I stayed in an Airbnb rental last week. It was nicely appointed with a ve= ry gracious host who lived in the other half of the home. They had decent i= nternet from xfinity - I was getting 20mbps/5mpbs. > > But.. they have bad bufferbloat. I was on a Zoom call and occasionally pe= ople would sound like Darth Vader. I busted out a ping test to 8.8.8.8 and = sure enough, latency spiked from a nominal 10-20 msec to 2500 msec and occa= sionally over 4000 msec. > > I had to check out before I had a chance to mention it to the Airbnb host= . And I'll probably leave it alone. But I'm still wondering - if I wanted t= o evangelize: > > 1. What would I say? I know I don't want to blurt out, "your network has = bufferbloat". That sounds worse than the cooties :-) I imagine that I'd mum= ble something about the Zoom call occasionally sounding like Darth Vader, a= nd that I'm a network professional and recognize the symptom, and that ther= e's a technical fix for it. I'd probably pause to see if their eyes lit up = ("Oh, that happens to us all the time...") before proceeding. And then... > > 2. What would I recommend? Obviously, inserting something with cake into = the mix would help a lot. Even if they were willing to let me examine their= entire network (Comcast router, Apple Airport in our Airbnb unit, other ro= uter?) I have no idea what kind of tar baby I would be touching. I don't wa= nt to become their network admin for the rest of time. > > I know Dave T=C3=A4ht recommends that you help your local coffee shop deb= loat their network. But that's a place that you develop a personal relation= ship and you visit often enough to answer questions during a shake-down per= iod. And they'll probably "let you in the back" to see what's there. > > Anyone have good ideas about handling this? Or should I give it up?Thanks= ! > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos