From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12c.google.com (mail-il1-x12c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56BFB3B2A4 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id f82so7032575ilh.8 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:27:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xKUMUEBq5jT3nr5P2ggmBpF7xSRp8t0r00LeQeeUk10=; b=She3E6cmC+fR+9k+E7mqD4ewbDNfixEqjHMVuKFusGQLPci9WGSxxI9MGcXVbuReBj bS9JVqG5C91nYHYJyiVRgQvUR2dQPHzaLGyUGcgg9/ipDz3ZhT1UzcfHq0AvPRiVfdxI Cr6nUyRDXEBPUOLeXZqdLMmwAr5kYPdZruKz2pl3ifYONdH9yCd2QLpiDGDos3EAm56R p1nRAim72tbiueTYD27qFrckj7jA0XRoQ+dziQcMqqclOirtuyW088uVR5EnZFgQEJ66 oqi3SRJsPY+3plhXu+yONoTInj612VnngDXdohWUfNCp/L4vInMrTHGdy6Snmc+oHK3z e5nA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xKUMUEBq5jT3nr5P2ggmBpF7xSRp8t0r00LeQeeUk10=; b=QJA4qdT5cbFstd0K4ZkiuMgtbJUJshR8/CBtjDyHrusGOsKOUESxxMzcfqKB2PcOr9 vG0ztexHkKMqzPYU05tgm9NpbR9EkgGHcF+t+YpPqd7jWwvUYA3gwtoXfj2BPoOokXco tUCHb7cqdlJU2505+eQufYw5yGO/2/UJEVl+hk4JF4VnS/IdnQ1iEfdtuJk4Eewx0yIP K/34bnkTnz2Sm1K5LqyovjSZjai1WnsV2jD6/ROYra7FP98xFZPAEnyxSp7NXf0+yIx4 SeQ7Py5nv+TS+PEy1v8LGBODfXJeBYm+5KJWbBuIn4dxiitIPVd2qLa3MPB8GxK+aZ5G eTcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubxEXGkMf2AvVZW/9E3HS4g+qmRC05L2MKCjLEW1LrrVHqL5KJC 2oH4r+jhatnTTqGbseepYc582vIp+U1+xBCsTY4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIlCG8MTV5AU9GNS9OaP6rQQJ1zatmk+NbBpK3NfE/TpNTEappNOm9o+TcNP30CWU6XWgN/8DkHUlZEzlzqG+c= X-Received: by 2002:a92:c7a9:: with SMTP id f9mr5558221ilk.0.1587673645872; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: Sergey Fedorov Cc: Jonathan Foulkes , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ae85f805a3fb1327" Subject: Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:27:26 -0000 --000000000000ae85f805a3fb1327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:15 PM Sergey Fedorov wrote= : > Hi folks, > > No need to put more pressure - I've seen Jonathan's suggestion and it > makes a lot of sense to add the option to deep-link to an expanded versio= n > with all detailed parameters shown. > This will be added some time this quarter (Q2), but not within a few next > weeks. > that's wonderful, thanks! One thing I've been seeing is way too many articles basically talking about traffic increases (or not), and how many are videoconferencing from home... but no metrics of import to videoconferencing folk. I've been engaged in a conversation about increasing a certain videoconferencing platform's default jitterbuffer to... wait for it... *1 sec* - based on how badly LTE was performing for some people so if you control your own videoconferencing tools, collecting more metrics there would be usef One very interesting metric a netflix streamer could be collecting is differences in tcp RTT (assuming you slowed traffic down in europe, especially, to a lower quality?), hour by hour, day by day. another one is packet loss... retransmits... > SERGEY FEDOROV > > Director of Engineering > > sfedorov@netflix.com > > 121 Albright Way | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:00 PM Jonathan Foulkes > wrote: > >> Confirmed, and I go there all time as well, you=E2=80=99d think it would= be the >> first thing Google would show us. >> >> At least Fast.com is on the first page, but they don=E2=80=99t pro-activ= ely show >> latency tests, especially on the upload. >> >> BTW- I=E2=80=99ve suggested they support a URL request format where we c= an >> pre-set options that engage and show results for the bloat tests. This w= ay >> we can share that pre-formated link and the users who click on it >> immediately see a bloat metric. >> Maybe if a few more suggest this as well, it will climb in priority. >> >> - Jonathan >> >> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> > >> > dslreports.com is only on the third page of the search results. >> > >> > https://www.google.com/search?q=3Dinternet+speed+test >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> > --=20 Make Music, Not War Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729 --000000000000ae85f805a3fb1327 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:15 PM Serge= y Fedorov <sfedorov@netflix.com<= /a>> wrote:
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Hi folks,

No need to put more pres= sure - I've seen Jonathan's suggestion and it makes a lot of sense = to add the option to deep-link to an expanded version with all detailed par= ameters shown.
This will be added some time this quarter (Q2), but not = within a few next weeks.




One very interesting metric a netflix streamer could be c= ollecting is differences in tcp RTT (assuming you slowed traffic down in eu= rope, especially, to a lower quality?), hour by hour, day by day.

another one is packet loss... retransmits...
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:00 PM Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com>= ; wrote:
Confirm= ed, and I go there all time as well, you=E2=80=99d think it would be the fi= rst thing Google would show us.

At least Fast.com is on the first page, but they don=E2=80=99t pro-actively= show latency tests, especially on the upload.

BTW- I=E2=80=99ve suggested they support a URL request format where we can = pre-set options that engage and show results for the bloat tests. This way = we can share that pre-formated link and the users who click on it immediate= ly see a bloat metric.
Maybe if a few more suggest this as well, it will climb in priority.

- Jonathan

> On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
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> dslreports.com is only on the third page of the search results.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=3Dinterne= t+speed+test
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