From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D18F3B29E for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id y10so21185965edv.7 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ob7wYWyjPxDkkxbeJab78reVdi4ARmxhM4+za4OX7mg=; b=XPvZU+2jwg2jzD48y1BGpeXAVGiJT2Vlexn56O+//kqLt8NkjWQFfemoct1VIjSb/i AmF8FF2pk8689KHEDpgAb+5uwKCyjhZVfUn7xBUvrnFZr3R2VsPi7vvwIdHCOQfn62uB vUhd2c3f6g/E21NLzduUt7XGS3KpBAhfZ+YDkX0V2d5xDi9bbwutlP5SToGekUIn0CGf 8EdDfL/6SvXhAy9rO93okbeZHyvXIYzUa0j5T9728XsROeAafwDsg/9F0OyU5ZR8Ccx8 MpNze1X+DeWmsktOv2I3oKZsjyrHyoBakY23NdLOJUIZiuzkymAZdLae7TjlSUauin++ 8vSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ob7wYWyjPxDkkxbeJab78reVdi4ARmxhM4+za4OX7mg=; b=QcnVvRTGEu8VSQup3ojXqPIzzr0ooFJSx1LI6/XxQSLWsJCWv0ziT9C9fcMFd+ytDE zkkTpdTtlv6OGTKiqg61fVZYQumng7Gw0NZgHxW7hVXiuRJWb32U3vCYCl0YA2wd10+P 1siWYfDlY9SRwIH5Bx7dhcg1ynuaBPv0PJ7Pq7IMTPTdcSOOwJoxdLKzr/FXvaMDGmx+ ANz5kH/3MlmdBz1PKM8dytOhDDNEkegfA4hO1/Ml+1vC5pu7188Mj/nbrI0G2DAN5KYE Np3qzubSBBmIBUkJK5OZiPFFQnYLSGlsCdFRQD9zhwv2sHCBwqCBqJosnFVhC2Ln75+i WEFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KioUHp7zELGoFHtQ+kkWQXfyXC7ta2upB+yaQd4TKowMAeil5 d0i9mkoP33O8ccPs/oR2ENMaaM9VZ2I/RMVW7UiM5Isjn6Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzflSKZjsWDN27vXf8r97HcaxkE4nfOuFQ53bye0KYHqrwH0Dq4mc4+CVHxelvTh2jxjC9Jc88PSEaZsvg4WYU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:5106:b0:419:45cd:7ab0 with SMTP id m6-20020a056402510600b0041945cd7ab0mr5440730edd.116.1648569206376; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:53:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] determinism X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:53:29 -0000 I note that I really like the determinism in fq-codel, mostly. recently though, we had a result where fq-pie did better. I am fond of imagery, like this... but am not going to explain the underlying problem. https://twitter.com/amazing_physics/status/1508677956595552257 --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC