From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52f.google.com (mail-pg1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA9413CB37; Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-55779047021so2478158a12.3; Tue, 27 Jun 2023 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1687917832; x=1690509832; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=kcPyWEdBVDdM1crCCgU67cv6rrZy1EuPljBFQXj7YGs=; b=ELwxqOyNDIbTvX2RC3T6h4R5wQrtQO6Ejl9Ww37u4UvlFbKPoFL701EzBNXD1X8cSt cxmnsXll6oERYbyJe2rFtmPZUfsKoe5LA6TYZzsYnOnxj1ZvEn/DAzYY2Mo95TaLscI2 S8QLMSuYdCZWHdx9Gn8/6fU0Mdr/HU1L/f7Zo/xpjCLGTmrHf2Rv6H0icxSuQck7ERWl i6C9Dif1CXr7edyG21h6gV0MGj3Wnqnrj3Eab+FwtqXaLMobXoSY2QAmieW6IF8D6gUx igSsk8jysaYGGbt5j1hqolSjUgdlwOQ8N2i6vX5G3gueG/aN9sd7AgxmnyEhk6IJI9a+ Uuug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1687917832; x=1690509832; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kcPyWEdBVDdM1crCCgU67cv6rrZy1EuPljBFQXj7YGs=; b=QezFU3g2xA8DuqASvOKPso0cbwyws1buD7amt35LWUv+eNtLwqLypon/gQJUPPAzwv eqePJlkHR40x8WPIY65txljMMvFnwuolDaceiy3FNxtEBfKGR8EXH38gNZ3+wooTCe3q XMfWpuR71kw/38a/XxevYmuocnlxqDMKeFSG8vvclydn/qPHVYKZbT/BcyIn0tneNpuU rFkuQAYrxSsDP6dKGQx7Tw5OyC9i9FXntZH88BZezCbP24s6q9wWutvpdDBaIbjg7gIx E35O0RJ4weEVCoMrmDdA0P6qotzxMRb4MfILtv0LfVjyB+P5X47rq3/ostlvs596FvcZ UrnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDwp7q2HvXN5Xw1KgTTHqwZAZJMT3AlFryahSleWaijn2fpTvA8B BpL1vzlC9R8AOndlV05KGDoYaEt/GBapvu4K2KAnA61EWmKUbmoO X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7//djdC7BmLnFVpMN4hO/ipCYDva9y5RMrrbId4njiMi1Ukn3oGiQG62u5pmFClx3DwoblTZyAtvF/N010ImM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4f8d:b0:263:a6a:49b8 with SMTP id qe13-20020a17090b4f8d00b002630a6a49b8mr3768734pjb.3.1687917831730; Tue, 27 Jun 2023 19:03:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1687837319.447910185@mobile.rackspace.com> <4np8q9q1-on99-rn94-5s1p-55643oo11037@ynat.uz> <20230627154931.71aff7ca@hermes.local> In-Reply-To: <20230627154931.71aff7ca@hermes.local> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 20:03:39 -0600 Message-ID: To: Stephen Hemminger Cc: David Lang , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 02:03:53 -0000 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-ccwg/ is a new wg intended to poke into these issues On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 4:49=E2=80=AFPM Stephen Hemminger via Cake wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) > David Lang wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, David P. Reed via Bloat wrote: > > > > > Sorry for top posting, but ... Bigger question: > > > Why would DCCP be deprecated by Linux kernel? > > > Who makes that decision? Who argues against it? > > > > Linus or the networking maintaners make the decision. > > > > Usually things get pulled from the kernel because there are updates tha= t need to > > be made to the code (to match changes elsewhere in the kernel or becaus= e of > > security issues) and there isn't a maintainer who works on the code in = a > > resonable time. This means that the maintainers for the general code ar= ea (in > > this case networking maintainers) will need to do extra work in an area= they > > aren't that interested in (and, especially in the case of hardware, may= not have > > the ability to test). They do some of it, especially if it's commonly u= sed, but > > eventually either another maintainer steps up, or it goes away > > > > David Lang > > See https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/patch/20230614194705.9= 0673-3-kuniyu@amazon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos