From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3EDA3B29E for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id l1so1602897wry.10 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:50:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=hsRLCJ0LGLr/b0/OXHW+rEGPiCSz43KPbq8P5TNPSBE=; b=RB4LPrYsWnf6knbu8y5pUjXLl+Sfaeh7louf4To4l3ETiKE8rcL5Umv3PSFLUtWIor DU9Ah8JlgBbBWpO4YFo645QrpQPjII6N4OF0j7EP0Pi52Y0L+Q8NGbT9mi/i8QOTDCeP 24e3P10t1ABSokA2NV32C5zUuOsH5p5oGvWt+9k92zXBJ26kMJjnuAIMocwCqEj1YJav 9sgoc7CyxynvMzCmsCvItlWAkwaZxIYBM5phoNh/bqkm1Pm4dWO8L/ye4iLxhJVmu+nQ V+eFT0199LJ39TQIYMx3OKBtfqEONwI2ZyDrZYzFK2E6smWqYG4+rnSYgyiKFRf251g1 jUzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hsRLCJ0LGLr/b0/OXHW+rEGPiCSz43KPbq8P5TNPSBE=; b=33UUZRMVPcRadYjj/QaoLWK51Jdv3a0CAKXjHLvHyuh/CpvvGcnJKzIJf17YitsTLE n5vnlhlLD0JUK/YUj3b/q5IAzFobVblMCCyjpb1AfdKNy0zpntBU9h/+5+9em/jwgc0p /RI4BPX5y3fM1cAVeWxEqJw0unn9SgGVGdyXs5sj4WoFy2xSZWgg6E+39ud+ilXze5rl oUQ38JB/OhvfTfotDhDHkSLr39vPOJQ9mDella/VSAiYbhZVjYMcAaqJ+GJzqgzcUQP0 sZoZhCoPIXgNGafUQgFB6nczVK/7GT1bIaLBRea2CkF8NVcPQXVRQWgt8R/54RNfyaMI 2zvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKW1tOmjoYovmzrYoqPtkZysZUjlEMMufDgid1NSYYMYd64/NFI1 yOou3LR+RwmwTA69pphbD9CM3SlB42AysEMtpy4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/e70swunRzg2DpxmDBHzkbwhSjWeYdp7ZWyXcWZnKgXopVmDNQG4WirwERR9zHwYjSuP4Qyv7ZoHFcDTA6nvs= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e351:0:b0:2c5:6175:a609 with SMTP id n17-20020adfe351000000b002c56175a609mr89917wrj.0.1676911809152; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:50:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:49:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: Dave Taht via Bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Another Measurement Program X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 16:50:10 -0000 My principal issue with all this wonderful activity, is I would like, rather desparately, for all the researchers involved to discuss their methods, and try to calibrate them against a reference of some kind. Right now it feels as though we are too often comparing meters to feet to hippos, which will have devastating effects when attempting to land. http://www.taht.net/~mtaht/uncle_bills_helicopter.html So far the only things I am comfortable with are (of course), flent, and crusader, and a new entrant from broadband forum that leverages udp - https://github.com/BroadbandForum/obudpst/issues/9 Rather than be critical of everyone elses tests, I tried to be critical of my own, here: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/flaws_in_flent/ At the moment I have no idea what the apple RPM test is supposed to measure anymore. One of the big ones (not) showing up in most data sets is "survivorship bia= s". Is anyone testing videoconferencing quality? A mere MOS out of videoconferencing traffic relative to other load would please me. On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 8:14 AM Livingood, Jason via Bloat wrote: > > When it rains, it pours=E2=80=A6 There's another measurement program focu= sed on fixed wireless (LEO and 5G) - in addition to others I have posted th= e last few months. Signup is at https://measuringwirelessamerica.com/signup > > > > Personally =E2=80=93 looking forward to ~6 months from now when all these= various programs start to present papers & share data / results. > > > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Surveillance Capitalism? Or DIY? Choose: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/an_upgrade_in_place/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC