From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12d.google.com (mail-il1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172013B29D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id u2so5929692ilk.1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NvZmPgpVwOFNcmi8I1nddmXs9M7KRGaA6RLi2K82C2E=; b=ZiNCotYnoXT6oJXkwj8nnZgAHzKDeCJA0PsZEbrFTDMwmReZXOnHFUnPDgrNlj8V6Q +IkjkXbWrdfmSZf/4lPpU5VUAPzxWyTUKWJZUJQKYcz1FN5BosCS7PZb+8aDnmf0QzKZ NBdvLwaTi8inb/y7HEx40wQkjhyBpG3SfqIo9B/I1EV3VvaPk7HfO8GqVh31T3HjTaVb 3NttK9vD+ltJnDGZyj1vSCS7uMpvMliBBkheCx8WBA+dAmyFTWdzISD9vCccPFfAYYg0 df4jMeXkdHxqGh4Ti7te6l7W9pcafxK6eXpCpO36W0npzU7VLE7EtUj2xLdqlu5AML0M /Y7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NvZmPgpVwOFNcmi8I1nddmXs9M7KRGaA6RLi2K82C2E=; b=IUA4JOihfjB5DpRX4/UegCwvr+vo1orwjghrfT8XaOjhiDeA76qur791KNAwVq0L3M rnIGTCsZD9p6174VWy7gr8Tkh+IaO6agqcYQNTwWYq6VkL3iCsN85Vx3pgL4To9BL1Mn FFLZxjKFGIx64RYeJjrSoP9VPyhxUK0IwyTZ0tSQKdj3srBZJM0mrKRryN9tb40MT5CD vdu7qRW3eGW8pQ3l2dvYDZB/+xKuS22hCl396a+5wjO+6ftt+tGwxw+DYHBIJuToCYq6 mq4IXV1jTxVkglHjSURKbRPBrJvt1KiAflQ5vH5m2GE8/S5AnI9DUdtu0586juV1O5dQ FnlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5322+/lOZjnK3YH7Ekcdz4scuZt9gM1zvKJljCu97/rJTyGFOcE0 iLQ2hL+J/QrwA7gGMSLFTCIvm0BHWtDuyKjnEg8QTpC7SNBZfA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxbpyYoS79DNiejMY1ckpWfHCXfH28ABKJ9rvpuMJL+MQz4HXlUMkdXEJgRzrVm81NS8OdflVBWrw8K3XpwElc= X-Received: by 2002:a92:6b0e:: with SMTP id g14mr12131196ilc.246.1616785765322; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: Kenneth Porter Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] fcc input X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:09:26 -0000 I have often thought hard about trying to explain things better via animations, and on more than one occasion tried to find an animator who could turn this old 8m talk from "people as packets" into "unruly animals as packets". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRb-UnHDw02o&t=3D1657s But that requires both money and time, and I've usually had neither. Grant money would be nice for a whole string of educational videos, but not being part of the MICA complex has made that difficult. If I ever get caught up on bills, and some other pressing problems, perhaps we could do a kickstarter campaign to get some things animated. On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:05 PM Kenneth Porter wro= te: > > --On Friday, March 26, 2021 10:58 AM -0700 Aaron Wood > wrote: > > > I'm still surprised at how hard it is to get people to understand that = the > > problem they're having (especially with real-time video like Zoom) isn'= t > > bandwidth, but jitter and bloat... > > Speed is easy to understand. I see a similar issue with space travel fans= , > who have trouble grasping how acceleration, not velocity, is the importan= t > factor in that domain. And when velocity is a factor, it's the vector, no= t > the scalar, that counts. If only people got decent math educations.... > > Jitter and bloat aren't intuitive and need a lot more thinking and patien= ce > to understand. Perhaps we need a good animated cartoon to explain it. > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729