From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0CB721F3E4 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so30442579obb.2 for ; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vJA3Gi1F/toYj4j2q0CqLXjY04ytvLQeAMmgns5eTnA=; b=wfnYM9BltmDzrB3JYdV7NhpEKco9Sslx825hEDVhT+UDMiXd67WeMply4scbbppNNK JXKlntkc9ejVJDLeRHLzWQphMEOM9cw55FEwCW/TwlImJBtOy3j4w0leYAeeykYAoq6k x+f9eEsTlGjVzSE7I17PzusuYnopSBPQJrS070DynJxJvlKx5ExVpYVTgTbj0brtmlXT QI2YdjYHOMuS+eKkL6AUJzYezUjQksL3qZIGgpzivYcMEERXxLhvttpPBnV7TFWWhWLa 3alkjQIaswwOFFJyUA8yKtdUcjKlK/N6upCjg6mWIaD9PfYvVJcxnbPNiacGAdy7xpWr h4kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.173.201 with SMTP id bm9mr40106956oec.34.1428607738515; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.51.66 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4077D77B-6C1A-47DF-989C-76B4B99AF863@icloud.com> References: <473265656416337848@unknownmsgid> <4077D77B-6C1A-47DF-989C-76B4B99AF863@icloud.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Greg Skinner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat , Vishal Misra , "aqm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:29:28 -0000 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Greg Skinner wro= te: > Sorry I haven=E2=80=99t had a chance to comment on this until now. Also,= I=E2=80=99m not on the bloat list, but you may copy any responses to me th= ere, if you wish. > > I was thinking perhaps another approach to spreading the word could be pr= esenting talks at conferences aimed at CIOs and CTOs. They are generally i= nterested in saving money and getting better performance from equipment tha= t=E2=80=99s already in use. The algorithms and techniques discussed here d= o that. Well, more directly to this point - they can do it on Linux, on modern distros, on all cpus supported. Those using with other OSes or older embedded gear or top brand switchs/routers like cisco, juniper, or arista are all still in a hole, as are most of the users of head end BRASes, CMTSes, etc. It would be nice to have the big folk announcing solutions and plans and so on before nagging the CTOS and CIOS with stuff they can=C2=B4t just buy. Telling someone that they have to switch their entire edge network over to Linux is often a hard sell. I do keep hoping for a tilera or a cavium to pour this stuff into their chips and firmware, but so far no such luck. Blatant plug: see my .sig --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/N8mZ5F5iSPU