From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B9B21F390 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oigz2 with SMTP id z2so37387597oig.1 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DLjr3Sm0KAQ4X1jpV40GRtTmvbxxJtYJTymjhMbMgpU=; b=UuvX8u9JQxlBSR0hvJad93xIhBzX8V/A/9D4X/zFLrv0zzYhex7up1IzqIO/v4vdqK 7B+1SIfzjtKxKiUuaejJ2BcHwpSWv21MbkMzt6SHaPADz2y+Gvc4/6mFsTKtMmmc1rfh IF+7pZo8EFSlRivlMeyL0LTnaxN2T19oMSy3E96nipa85p43c5Fih4dFMCOtpBC8TdPQ ocAMTtfUYv+s/K63B1xa6nlS3GqtoAXJB4+hCOQDoe682DfC7xA+5ASAgEgJj1hLKG2S 4hx5diC6TjNKB54SztT15AoQiFo1iesqmKIndagOXMiAXIM+IjlW1movJH4mbbmsvUXr Vatw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.92.68 with SMTP id q65mr16068020oib.11.1434214362599; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.105.129 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Mikael Abrahamsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Apple ECN, Bufferbloat, CoDel X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:53:11 -0000 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrot= e: > > I highly encourage people to take a look at: > > https://developer.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2015/?id=3D719 (you might have to > reigster as an apple developer to watch it, I don't know) No, it's worse than that - the talk is in a format that can only be parsed by safari. Both firefox and google-chrome fail. You can download it without registration... and mplayer for linux can play it back. (watching it now) and it is nice to hear they are adopting other standards like ECN. Nice to see stuart cheshire on the big stage! > > "Your App and Next Generation Networks > IPv6 is growing exponentially and carriers worldwide are moving to pure I= Pv6 > APNs. Learn about new tools to test your apps for compatibility and get > expert advice on making sure your apps work in all network environments. = iOS > 9 and OS X 10.11 now support the latest TCP standards. Hear from the expe= rts > on TCP Fast Open and Explicit Congestion Notification, and find out how i= t > benefits your apps." > > Being on this list you might not learn much from the talk, but I really > appreciate a talk aimed at a wider (developer) audience which so clearly > outlines the benefits of ECN, CoDel and TCP host opimization to reduce > end-to-end experienced application communication latency. One of the majo= r > takeaways is that Apple is planning to by default enable ECN in iOS9 and = OSX > 10.11. This would mean hundreds of millions of devices will be using ECN = in > a few months. I have generally hoped that a replacement for cubic would arrive... and/or = their and have > You can skip to 16 minutes into the talk if you're not interested in the = new > requirement for applications to support an environment where it's Interne= t > access is IPv6 only behind NAT64+DNS64 (I'm myself super excited about > this). I don't understand how badly this is going to break dnssec. dnsmasq in particular has been dealing with edge case after edge case on dnssec for the last few months, and it was my hope we'd finally got them all. > Let's hope this brings a lot of buzz and requests towards device > manufacturers to start supporting ECN marking and AQM. Apple is usually a > good megaphone to bring attention to these kinds of issues... There is an awful lot of "personal" networking that can benefit from this. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone? https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast