From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F3DA3B29D for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id v9so2040294ion.11 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cLN3De8UelpkEYKiZMJ+orbINwpPyYlyFmuEtetmPik=; b=tfzAVx7/+WW0VuD8mWOLfYQewGpJvgRGH7QErDaxbs7l45SxmMMBxWpog/5Rtjjku/ TJlYMAH562lyy1Z39HNeI+47TJ8KgI91DZriwcECqgZuTLb9rIQ9S67kAq2FsBng/vEh M/pHnCFeZ+x+aJVh3s5h2jMALdNgshkp6N4+jm+P/IgW+YsApoVvYT1fQEf9Up9uD6JA wgP4tfGA4VIfl92GmHGLMDYTwWw+IPxhOCB65chQzwDSCROPx7Z/rGLIfP4A19YNERwB 3Y4XP3oMhIv0Jei/5Pqedjg6fN1/LzWICOqZGtIitf6/EphasABo5UroMWB8fLJKNubk 5llw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cLN3De8UelpkEYKiZMJ+orbINwpPyYlyFmuEtetmPik=; b=UAUvog+nVmdU1qZWtu1Di7Lvz+Ji0x05xKMgd2f5Hh+LlFtxnQJRBS2VQnqILWAgkp 47xlFDPxMkGDzatBHrWr3VCdz9rws+9+CMRYqEGuRcOAHNIoA1IAlxFDEdHzS5RnTozr ULGr1EdA4FXsoo9pEcZVtLa1Zt389Vn0uopj9arF8x4f8nhpM8/2AD6WZ/OIufcQbsjT iMGSc6qCfMg1PmUQ7KlkN/xhlF+NBIXqeSFdUV/chaHh6C32wUD/Dxrh2knbbtblL0tq QNAB/2kJe9bmVs6uhFAdLMLbPaw5lgw94TFuIuS9105hx6D9HVQnDnSHmQ5VD4ITGjIF bwnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531gyyLFZkbgmUq3cDR3q4nq+7h1utsNvTZtBm95AVQa+7Bl0O/R adKFhRvXhlE1CYlrDS135HfF1yU41vjKe8etEg0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxN+I42StfjSPCZTInoqJydKiSyAbHxMwMdsTWGxv64RcvwwA/pL0b1j9peCF61R1e/odXVE4IBYrtoYKZdUAY= X-Received: by 2002:a02:5142:: with SMTP id s63mr4439593jaa.82.1622053956631; Wed, 26 May 2021 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA408F6-C8FA-4AAF-908A-B52BDC5030FF@cable.comcast.com> <3DC2F247-63C2-4753-9E44-2F494E545FEA@apple.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Stuart Cheshire , "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Bloat] AQM & Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 18:32:37 -0000 I made the most articulate pleas I could to both sides of the debate on this: https://blog.apnic.net/2020/01/22/bufferbloat-may-be-solved-but-its-not-over-yet/ I do think that now that the scandal here has reached a peak: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/oag-fakecommentsreport.pdf that perhaps an honest appraisal of both AQM and fq+aqm technologies can be had in public, again. I'd be willing to reach across the isle on this, and patiently explain stuff to lawmakers where their thinking is incorrect, in order to finally fix bufferbloat.