From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEF0E3B29D for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id y16so4800720wrm.2 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:52:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=yQ2kA+CJOk74N4HE4cv6QJw1108jmWB6NzJXv0CKPbA=; b=YuOJYSD/LyWvlpGW5SbaK6JzZ+iojze+Q1+A8plDHQLJDlQc+rVPyXBD5JhGxuVeek Q5xa6TnvmQHNJYXJCqn8c1s4HFTG3ZWudDsLlQI6v+bTDCk5Nacnq8q/NUiRs3QQYVDg 6IwN8h/yPTlNxs87jjP152aCS86cP1px7R70VlFpT4VBIzEqy3zd+4bO+4Tb+lDULd5S uWReqpvl107DZfJHdKF7s0ndcNGg0REinD90IyCUu3lvfUkndKeyM239GEmAeb+oxIGB S1Zuno8gEAnQi3cSe58tQPQemoX5frqzU29dDVaM1cF+SWSFgamsZpjn1HT84DuQdJuG 0BVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yQ2kA+CJOk74N4HE4cv6QJw1108jmWB6NzJXv0CKPbA=; b=0twB8ipyJpzlyogmWDMFx9hu+GwhFmFQ3MCQ0OiJe+ZqG7q8vGax+L2pIUpEY6a8oy watd5C1/fcYPdyMJpADRcEvu0W8ty06V52KIsqoWunIT3oK3I3JKyCVtmX0DbFslgj+E 2mzFE+LK3HZhx+tf4fheKi9aMfp8sFQVZEk6hzvbmHM5Da1k16KklyBzGxPFlkNwljZn DceTtlx0Zyv0UfelNAO5Jn4Pece45tLxT5M5FGyHe8k1ajMPWhLaePXgMJQ9zXzxiHgj Pt2Hpd8ZYe0DIamOZyTNak34WwuXShqn0h2/5LmPonQtCSUEfBOx+QBrtA6knflRgOPG 1DfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqnv32RAc+bbr/GknqL4eYT8okwvqcmyCFj6Im4XcsOIAtZcf7d A6pV53mtpcqOHDEJYcV/qa+yIhWMz8G1yBskv6usQdsO X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsv74PxrRoxlW9RRwejLhpxDBo6nb/hNvdqUzPpTQBU5ySIGPkG1gdm3srNYS3Piny/vSBD6ktwhGIdRwQWmyc= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e0c6:0:b0:242:82f5:fe65 with SMTP id m6-20020adfe0c6000000b0024282f5fe65mr383062wri.688.1671807152037; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:52:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <167164709406.31227.13282746642337914072@ietfa.amsl.com> <7BBDBD06-4ECD-422B-9EEA-D9EDAD3B5717@episteme.net> <63A57753.6010100@btconnect.com> <72179CF8-EBAA-4A16-B79F-49F283101F8B@csperkins.org> In-Reply-To: <72179CF8-EBAA-4A16-B79F-49F283101F8B@csperkins.org> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:52:19 -0800 Message-ID: To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] Fwd: [Congress] New Non-WG Mailing List: congress X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:52:34 -0000 iccrg is rechartering too... ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Colin Perkins Date: Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [Congress] New Non-WG Mailing List: congress To: tom petch Cc: Martin Duke , , , Pete Resnick On 23 Dec 2022, at 9:39, tom petch wrote: On 22/12/2022 19:49, Martin Duke wrote: Re: The working group description. Sorry, I screwed this up and totally forgot that the message would go out to ietf-announce. It was written for the many transport area people that have been following the discussion at tsv-area@ietf.org and elsewhere. For the record, if approved, CONGestion RESponse and Signaling would revise the requirements to standardize congestion control and accept proposals for new standards-track congestion control work, but we're several steps from it becoming a WG. I follow TSVWG and can see no sign of this in the e-mail archive. Ah my mistake, there was in November! Meanwhile, how will this WG relate to ICCRG? ICCRG is also in the process of rechartering, and Martin and I have been coordinating, and I=E2=80=99ve been speaking regularly with the ICCRG chairs, to ensure the two groups are complementary. The proposed new ICCRG charter highlights its research focus (=E2=80=9Cenha= nce our understanding of Internet congestion control and to support conceptual innovation=E2=80=9D) while being clear that the =E2=80=9CIETF is= the appropriate venue for deployment-oriented documents concerning interoperability or standardization of implementation=E2=80=9D. New congestion control research should go to ICCRG. As the ideas mature and demonstrate their utility, and need to be more formally documented to ensure interoperability, then the proposed CONGRESS charter allows work to move into IETF as experimental, and eventually standards track. Both the ICCRG and CONGRESS charters recognise that close coordination will be needed. Colin --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC