On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > this is a FYI. > > ISOC says they are full for 2013. If someone can think of another > entity to coordinate, and take some of the *outreach* load off > of JG, DT, and friends, name it.. > I would like to find that entity or person(s) for sure! I'm *done* the european tour as of today and want nothing more than to get back to california and back on coding up a ton more useful stuff (like fixing wifi and updating the ns2/ns3 models, getting better statistics, analyzing the cablelabs work, working on a pfifo_fast replacement etc) While I enjoyed giving all the talks I just did, getting the word out in front of a wide variety of audiences, meeting cool people everywhere, and figuring out new ways to explain this stuff in response to questions... and a lot of that got filmed... http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Bloat-videos It seemed to be really difficult to get anywhere with a new audience in 40 minutes or less. But in doing that and coping with the questions, I have thought up a few more graphical ways of getting the points across in some future world tour (APAC?) that *given some time with a decent artist* might compress down the ideas a little. The longer, private talks I had all over europe were pretty good - I'm seriously encouraged by the response from various industries... ... but I'd really like to go back to hacking for a while. > > On May 6, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > Welcome to the IESG, Spencer. > > > > I am putting my hat on as . > > Novavision is a boutique business ISP in Montreal, Quebec has fiber in a > > number of industrial parks. I'm the network architect and director of > R&D. > > We have serious bufferbloat issues that prevent us from deploying the > > kind of service we want. In many cases I control both ends of the > > layer-3, and I could deploy whatever I want. If only I could train the > > sales engineers of my vendors... > > > Awhile ago I suggested to Dan York that ISOC should consider adding > > bufferbloat to it's Deploy360-ish efforts. A key thing for me around > > bufferbloat is: > > a) convincing companies that it's real. A video hosted by > > Vint or Bob Kahn, aimed at semi-technical CTOs would help. > > > > b) having convinced them that it's real, I need to find out what > > they are doing about it, and what work arounds they might have. > > > > I suggest a well curated wiki for (b), with encouragement for > > vendors to link directly to their "knowledge bases", etc. > > > > c) some point of contact for bufferbloat issues... > > This would have to start with some kind of IETF led attempt to > > actually find out who at various companies might be in charge > > of figuring who is in charge of figuring out what the contact would > > be. > > > > Some small vendor specific background. Novavision is a Juniper partner. > > I explained that I couldn't buy a product until I had some clear > > statements about bufferbloat plans from the sales engineer. I tried to > get > > the SE some contacts... I used various contacts I had @juniper.net, but > > they came up blank. They didn't know how to address this question > > either. I think that this is a industry wide problem. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > -- Dave Täht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html