From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E86143B29D for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2020 14:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id t13so9174116ile.9 for ; Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=twUbZBphtCEqPE9zBlUNIi2T4e1FoalTeeblbBbrtxk=; b=NolGwORKrkL/NqYcXbNS5aOyodYTeVjpFyS6Vu2xgJkmjW4rkYXyVw5p4n2PoX+5xm m2x3XRHjXLpkUj7fm/64UReXrSxC1MwMCIAT0k/iihRrkdhT8nEFdu7wb4xctA+RxUEt 61JZswo235lLWgw77Srl14FFryF7HBOkhUp2/zaqGEOnCMCrUgikCZnIjunQdyIOeV+l i3WoB+tmbPDo/HpQsitz27vapMLTplwLx/44IrMtu91F7mx2AWFIYd/mVYscfTX+fy/Y 4g/OTSHbwexvNs57ZVbjyGBhp5vibKFLxWrJsIFtan9GqGeA8QU0bkQQzPPIojXLDevh uDgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=twUbZBphtCEqPE9zBlUNIi2T4e1FoalTeeblbBbrtxk=; b=rHQwR/+CsxpRhcslvD6P5sCe0tKF/vPScF/yNMe/KFbwckV/9tJgIDi0Vw3DLKcTf2 MjP+v3ootjyCGEor2EYpqvLoyVCU7TJcNWdVzufb+CQ8T86NREN40SWl1tvQafAqtsKx RRYnCaC3sc2JObL+I9LqlgDztXIIMYmx13d9ZGlPo+C/BntK2TphiQ9Edw6RP0LlSBdN etmcm9xD52YwQ4rCgwPfTHkosv6A1KgH6muFbmvRUDLJby37GX57vkBWHJxQnL/DecVr NS9ELVt9HJ6disDxmaxS55HkoTVI5d+G9c8wcQvvL3DCU5uRE1/geuveKB70cAMP4W/G 5jMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MEr+4sxQ7q/WwsHuSa2ULvv/VoQbhku9zRGV6KpBi2FIJPdOt ePvRbroqSHPRYBNhwAxs3VvboHFjScg9rrst1IYT6oo2AhE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwa3+00ayfaHcBQ5PfjcyPLtUeH1VlSxH0W9wNxv0UZoTCW/qQWE7eFYdXxriN/yE/exq/X6BN2cPSQP8/lfV8= X-Received: by 2002:a92:498a:: with SMTP id k10mr12141259ilg.246.1599331941317; Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 11:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Collier-Brown Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 18:52:22 -0000 I note that.I pretty much took the summer off. And I'm trying to get started again. Did this article come off? On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:27 AM David Collier-Brown w= rote: > > I suspect not enough people are aware of the later efforts of the > bufferbloat team, so I'm thinking of one or two articles, starting with > LWN and an audience of aficionados. > > The core community is aware of what we've done, but in my view we > haven't converted "grandma". Grandma, as well as a whole bunch of > ordinary engineers and partners of engineers, are dependent on debloated > performance because they're working at home now, and competing with > granddaughter playing video games while they're trying to hold a video ca= ll. > > Right now, my colleagues at work suffer from more than a second of > bloat-related lag. They therefore tend to speak over each other on > con-calls, apologize, start again and talk over each other, again. After > a little while, the picture becomes a distinctly silly one: a bunch of > grown adults putting their hands up and waving, like little kids in > school. No-one has called out =E2=80=9Cme, me, teacher=E2=80=9D yet, but = I expect it any > time. > > I propose we show the results in terms that we can explain to Grandma, > specifically concentrating on functioning VOIP. I just upgraded to > Fedora 31, and the networking is absolutely stock, so I make a perfect > victim/guinea-pig (;-)) > > Who's interested? > > > --dave > -- > David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will > gratify > System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest > davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729