From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09F263BA8E for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 21:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id d3-v6so16453603qtp.11 for ; Tue, 01 May 2018 18:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d0lt2fLZdUcfoEf/SI6ReMQeMnm2jueozgrnogsF3n4=; b=k1VT8Ar4bJz5aA95pmM6sIggLDVNtUNG0oe8PZ9Nqu7c4Wtq6GpWRSb0ffoq7NMk5c 8frImcmzMPO6tI45NOvfheWrWYx1gF1cdofViHg4GobjJi2CLFuJwlOi92siJer1P0nx I3TcV/aUQ+PpZp79OQWZWqKs23S4GlT8uqk0eLVweGog19GviDt9wy6E9ErO+E4e4In2 u6MWghXmMYd/lVqbZbmw7LH4lcVPmwMCrENPRLSxt11918PmDtFjdg020ymCvGrjmnBh gSoAsIPQr9kuuofQ2/JY6gItKPS3K3qEtV5uPJ1AEsNBbAA5RjI+TX0z0pWEW27RyHOo g1MA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d0lt2fLZdUcfoEf/SI6ReMQeMnm2jueozgrnogsF3n4=; b=W6UrrDqFJQDjzmSoDRNUlEjYccQQFDtZ265MCEJUzaIempYa6vMVrSDDNfXOlh94mv rE/dnaJ4e4gtVIpSnz/CCH5a9LMnBYtYb4lKT5RhLweQnEDUb1bonUCnYpfDgAsyomFI httLaJrTkyAkgjz3uWIol/RlwNYT3ULNaoKNxWJZRtDcRSL9gJq7IPs0VLi8GlH8OIxC WhWTNK+qhobWjHVaB16tgvZGUoZtnrHdxACVwnh+zDrN6vd/dyEtPc337hKFX49qB7UB iXk48D8RdV4gwS6+h/sXvF7awSTRcmHKnIGycihlsTrf8JyOmwTr92IcGEj2rOBAeujp s+cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tD7lHCLngIND5Fk4qvCB+zSnJPaaI6eHNnQkRX53dr5hS6GK+/o lwIP+Qoq+K1YWZzHvRZiG1KThGPdUE08XQ6XDB8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqPOY1aO8irvD1X+I8Rx3t6cMNnbvMHdIGQndEni6/lzVFrytQipKuSLJiv8ZoR7mF5euHkcUnLfxJGSbiJfso= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:920d:: with SMTP id a13-v6mr9422972qva.128.1525222985589; Tue, 01 May 2018 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.243.147 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2018 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <325AD609-6B25-4582-817B-ECE6A37D7B1D@toke.dk> References: <325AD609-6B25-4582-817B-ECE6A37D7B1D@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 18:03:05 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Integrating video codecs and congestion control X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 01:03:06 -0000 Finally read this. They consider a half second of delay as "good". One of these days I'd like (someone) to tackle these problems, using a 2.7ms interval opus voip flow as a clock to regulate the size of the video stream, in an fq_codeled environment, striving for a buffer-related video delay of under 20ms. I also miss scan-line video capture devices. 16ms minimum lost in the usb side already. On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > From the good people over at Stanford: https://snr.stanford.edu/salsify/ > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619