From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05B313B29E for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f6042d610fso50179155e9.1 for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1685982288; x=1688574288; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=a6qGezZvY38+QTYXQtLI9+tpuKWWT+PpwlYK7VbHvPc=; b=DmWUNuWQ0BTLqag6K5Vw6M9gFm6lBArdPxpgKGfOAX1VadR8WZsGYjlIWdSV9spI/a CKfBSqDthDvrV5hFSUaGq6FhCByxkl+EclJHgAsza7Nrhvu0c372bfK3J1zdsQMxt0JO w0/+RFP8ftw6+Xw61On7WjgoswgOpxpxqukD+OmbBCxWMyZfCXHvjRFOaRCnSbiRVnbY hP86dxHA7XUJMXmEREF4JGI0hulXT61sfit55OQm0u6Pmsk48D2aBoxLQETIei4t03lq j7K4MEXQd+RSRLapD1DaSjmkzCsGhtjlKoG1/48kEnfjCGD5a0XuDFk5kAJAF6ea217b LEFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685982288; x=1688574288; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=a6qGezZvY38+QTYXQtLI9+tpuKWWT+PpwlYK7VbHvPc=; b=Sgk7AEP8TZ0T8nCl+US0Z9JV2tiMQBr/pzE6uv8IadvbigEAzWkdhieAtun/GoiZ+d HEKFduUQrhbPnA2m7JVuxYE+g/8GMCzkrTd48gFhfyMQ2Q9u9zOe1dOZdzW/zxgGAvT5 x8RUYyJDBoNUGUyuNDnxyMRv2ZO8s/jG85xkqp09n/yNqtB96pvX7ufz2TI95Y/Qdc9u VH/eEtadS1I170TVd69lM5GO2XjNWanzSLxpovf6zXyIZ/IVHg38a+bZ/nGD3NyyM1EL AxZYnNyus2sZA7QRGsKU6IlNwjcsI53Qqm8oM2gCWHwttPZKEaK9jEHkano8FaykmhKg Fh1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzMRpSaQcxk0jUQIZfXwlOtNXtFDBvGcfgnx3mE/rn3F+PTYKUw rsiYAcO+sDAlZs8uZs7nXoPD4cIYBOChwZkb0ZU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5IeneyRZjr9zUChuSuh8x989Fhz+HXc8q2WabJHcRi+/z5+yU/rlVQlVz7F6QHuTasubns5bx7O8uTjkF+u5Q= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:141:b0:30e:46d4:64ee with SMTP id r1-20020a056000014100b0030e46d464eemr1717678wrx.29.1685982287669; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 09:24:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58238rpr-80q1-3p5s-849q-604ns5659s7r@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:24:36 -0600 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: "Luis A. Cornejo" , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Dual WAN home router with decent SQM? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 16:24:49 -0000 we invented "source specific routing", for ipv6, (now called SADR) during the cerowrt project and it has been part of openwrt ever since. Two or more ipv6 upstreams will distribute their /subnet to the downstream. Regrettably, few protocols or end user applications attempt to leverage these disparate address spaces, although multipath tcp and quic have become more common. On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:20=E2=80=AFAM David Lang via Bloat wrote: > > you aren't going to bond two differnt ISPs for faster upload. > > you may setup tunnels over each of the ISPs and bond them together. > > Even with a full BGP link, any given connection is very unlikely to use b= oth > ISPs. > > David Lang > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Luis A. Cornejo wrote: > > > I=E2=80=99ve done the multi wan with mwan3 and it works fine for load b= alance or > > failover. > > > > But if you are trying to improve your upload then the best you can get = is > > one upload vs the other. You won=E2=80=99t get both uploads to the same= stream, > > that is bonding, which is a little harder to do. > > > > -Luis > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 9:35 AM David Lang via Bloat < > > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > >> any router that you can run OpenWRT on will do the job > >> look at the mwan3 package to mange the multiple ISPs > >> > >> at 100Mb, you don't need an especially beefy router. > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, John D > >> via Bloat wrote: > >> > >>> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:48:21 +0100 > >>> From: John D via Bloat > >>> Reply-To: John D > >>> To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> Subject: [Bloat] Dual WAN home router with decent SQM? > >>> > >>> I want to set up a new home router with SQM support to alleviate (mos= tly > >>> upload) bloat. > >>> However I would also like dual ISP support, more for backup/failover = than > >>> load sharing. > >>> I can see affordable multi wan "load balancer" routers eg TP-link, an= d > >>> affordable SQM routers such as ubiquity Edgerouter, but I'm strugglin= g to > >>> find a single device providing both. > >>> Just after any advice on a) am I better having two separate component= s b) > >>> if so any suggestions which product/brand? > >>> Two devices means more configuration but possibly more flexible and > >> cheaper. > >>> > >>> My internet speed is looking to max out around 100/20mbps so I don't = need > >>> Gbit performance. Thanks for any help. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > >> > >_______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos