From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x22c.google.com (mail-qt0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CE73B260 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c47so126342504qtc.2 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:57:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o1Yr9SNg+6OPKv1V85uEl2qwA8cD5lbHaViiYmpNT7Q=; b=o9NR+zKNZHUsfK0/BPREgY+uEa5TKgoXPgribYdna+N//kRdEk++KPn+gzuHicHJk+ UsapJ5T2TIykqJ7ot8eO89X0qrNLd9FdjeVzUL0eI1VnZfuSVs2P7j2sb5KDndZwbdyr 1urAC/9XerZvvL0hZ02v9C4sRPElKNZd21SrYCL/F1gM83rQZWQ7NoCA+PwQkrDHGUGC Ya6DMrJ4eSPpzbGwv0LXqsKNDCvk45RjUGQfbE9j5lPlsrQmzqVjpvraZAiVuYBtmGA+ QUhvJ/Ke4IosMqu7YeH2tRZCHyNgWHQ194n+0FMp0E9bhT94IMp+PhLjznK5PWOUUF17 x6OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o1Yr9SNg+6OPKv1V85uEl2qwA8cD5lbHaViiYmpNT7Q=; b=X5Yn0pip6cI5JEUYWasjtuxVuHv3LmKDGsZQ+uD7IdRJW0f6LN9NG6dWvpUDu1oITO G/yEdRKimTbzv6Dhd9xxrlwS76VuCIEGkdhnnhT0HZohyHO1wQkyZUUDCbikph4fHvY0 pBKqao/twLx1OmRsJyNupCPHtutF7u0J2tKMeY5SJWsEOlQAt89H7Yb8NDXGX4RaF+OD mVOhPOQNwQ4OmVlMPJHSNM3JWhhJulLOJAwEJWzEWtBHsv74nZIzyEjJTFnr8xKhpytH hTMFTmAtyg3QAR0BNfZqgHbLLV5zO7X/vqxqY+rHqPv/+zu7+qcl8AXTrA4l117eiVeB 6KXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC00nfF9QZAlC6z5osh4fvd3OcU/micWF9Z/Y02nwkogGsvwfpfSIwKqRZC13yrbh1KA6Y6LKj4MP1UeADg== X-Received: by 10.200.34.73 with SMTP id p9mr22111048qtp.25.1480348658786; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.137.198 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:57:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Foulkes Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] COTS router with OpenWrt X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:57:39 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jonathan Foulkes wrote: > Thanks for the Introduction Rich, and thanks again to you and many others= on this list for all your contributions over the years helping to combat b= loat. > > This product was born of my own frustration with finding a way to help ne= ighbors and family get a simple off-the-shelf solution that even non-techni= cal users can deploy. I hope that your marketing campaign is being successful on these fronts. It has always been my goal to "enable better products", but not have the headache of making them myself, where 99.99% of the effort is (like in cerowrt), in making everything else "just work" and be reliable enough to ship. > > I look forward to participating more actively on this list. One of my thoughts has been since it has become so difficult in the USA for an open source organization to achieve 501c3 status (icei.org is now 5 years into their attempt) was to go the 501c6 route, like the linux foundation. We now have a reasonable set of companies doing the right things for queueing, updates, and so on, that perhaps banding together to promote "less lag, regular updates" would be a way to support some of the other costs of this effort, such as effective outreach. > > Jonathan > >> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Rich Brown wrote: >> >> I have been exchanging a few emails with Jonathan Foulkes from evenroute= .com. He tells me that his company is installing OpenWrt on a commercial, o= ff the shelf (COTS) TP-Link router and selling them on commercially. His "s= ecret sauce" is an auto-update facility and improved setup software, which = includes a rate-detection step that operates continually to adjust the fq_c= odel parameters to the actual line rate. You can take a look at IQrouter.co= m, or look them up on Amazon. >> >> This might be a solution to our current conundrum about not having an ea= sy solution that solves our family's networking problem. I'm going to get o= ne of these and try it out. >> >> He has been following our bufferbloat and make-fifi-fast work closely, a= s well as the work on LEDE, which he'll consider once it hits a stable poin= t. I have invited him to join this list. >> >> Welcome, Jonathan. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org