From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ABE121F259 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbnx5 with SMTP id nx5so41537177obb.0 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YcLIDR9PhpBmHJZvEJx8NMGvjzpgqKTENiMeiZErUws=; b=cdMCwuobHMi0U1EVaN2tT36FbLSrZWybGSRWSIKUJGr5KAs0UEWmtk7RwbQ6HlCsJR /LtHVZ3yiS2/F0Jo3RyW1Ol/XzQDGBAUuCmgmy3GPejJhEmXxPJbTU2fceIYpE7AWJEa /jKR7ctx4eSSGQuvOfZVa5TXxbQ2U7gKgbxSe5mdHAPGPMqNWmFQP025KGkviIzPQrni T3izWXgQC60RVLScfi58GnnwbJxiiMA0DEBKNeapjTKRbeeUqo/7nZ5bYkef3bRuY/Ez NIqqlV2dtORnvSSziII/Dw9KLoGBOssvfKLAj26KNuHjIDFwpHMQQAv89Hw0f2fDkdmY ZlzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.4.138 with SMTP id 132mr13559086oie.11.1432486709656; Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.105.146 with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <58264BE0-CDBE-4739-B03D-4BAA20B13997@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 09:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] dslreports mockup X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 16:59:06 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 16:59:06 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 16:59:06 -0000 On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi jb, > > > On May 23, 2015, at 03:56 , jb wrote: > >> I can add error bars to the combined columns. I think that will help. > > This is quite helpful, what exactly are the =E2=80=9Cerror bars= =E2=80=9D showing? I am loving seeing the error bars. The general public won't understand them but a ton of other people do, and I can live with that. and loving being able to click on the bars for more detail. Aside from wanting: A) the grade center/top as per the mockup. B) some more apparent indicator of the detailed graphs available (like rotating between them on initial view) C) the bloat tach front and center during the test D) the different number of flows tests NOT broken up by "technology" but by extremity, and calling out wifi VERY explicitly (I can do a mock up of this if my prior description was not good enough) E) World Peace I'm pretty happy with this (and just in awe of how much work is required to deploy a web browser based application) >I would vote for 2 and 98 percent qantiles. I think these are max and min, unfiltered. There are not enough samples in the default test (1/sec) to get higher resolution (although I run the hires bloat test and would certainly prefer that a minimum of 100ms sampling rate was used for all - 20ms would be better). But 2 and 98 if possible would be better than max/min, (with sufficient samples). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-number_summary is fun because it depends on a normally distributed model, which this stuff isn't. (I'd like to see this for flent, also) I would like to see the algorithm(s) for this documented sufficiently somewhere... (and to finish duplicating the work in flent) >I note that I have seen several times that both error bars (low and high) = of the idle category seems to be displayed above the bar, like levitating a= bove the bar. Could be display error on my end, but I guess the bars show s= omething meaningful and I just do not know how to parse it correctly=E2=80= =A6 > > Best Regards > Sebastian > >> >> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, David Lang wrote: >> On Thu, 21 May 2015, Jim Gettys wrote: >> >> Providing separate grades for upload and download does not make sense to >> me, as interference with acks in the other direction badly hurts that >> traffic. Uploads and downloads are *not* independent variables. >> >> KISS: one grade.... >> - Jim >> >> yes and no. >> >> If I am getting a bad grade, will replacing my local router help? or is = all the problem on the ISPs equipment? >> >> having upload getting an A+ due to running good, debloated systems local= ly, but the download getting a F due to the ISP buffering would be meaningf= ul. >> >> David Lang >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67