From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E60383B2A4; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id w5so24179528qtb.11; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OWr6w1sjJJ1nVoXJGAZxXkQFroOE9bQeav5rRPN6OPg=; b=ks5uWSkRq1XQUeQz4ujUqUV60AuC+xuNy5ZqlwAykcWvywPOhTwteAIril6wCoz58I 49r06Vawz92WjAE4w6ADapTV9A21jxqg8SqTUk6jSqI9c0E5k3bVsFewPjPSiUCUDUUM 3YjmoYb/8/0ErXD6ZMDdyNDeRXBYvaPdyuY40ISRTVcx/VIb9USO3VYv3oENZ6NLKUeo 8CYkZtyGF3LeONlmVmPuwey9q4ICtUNuge0XcJ6rK8jnPSFEX/n/ibLQBlPXIyIWlvxr SNOMvhyERDPEhBmhv/gCv/TotH3OJwqARywbrADuhEXq6R0ygv7v7/cBizJiYYoWH9R3 c7vQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OWr6w1sjJJ1nVoXJGAZxXkQFroOE9bQeav5rRPN6OPg=; b=Yj3K0vYF8vpnqctnsw7SoV2kw9nDd3gOavDSyiD+skfoLeqzyzqVBruGZN5sPQEilf 3bB1wAKEIgk+Twt6IIuhMaHqm07ML9wz2l73leSzAIc7VNBrWWxSx4qP0BCxSEmv1No5 cnoMzLIU3N6wt6QuNXPO+MOwlZ8iiNvasjAxVHE7qsC+6cEZwuqgeFffgC2VWQ5au5F3 /C3vaaqbVulUknzB54dgXDx69E7Ii94yuwuozcmW8hBKktdnJFUnIU3HoDMhg1UhebKf IE6OVldamZf7jymYKXgI8G5uAnGow9yqla11MCuTPsnhOZHUYgrlJuouqMwRKgY92ahL v5Xg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWsJsx7/7qBs32ACuwYlDRdkNpO9s4RgF0GN/jJVvT18WOBx6eA QMJ6PVIyCKo/zX4hQDJGZgo8Nw0fOgo0ch1kFam/sKMgrmo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyWxBSwFD9QxTlDXEnyq1aWefxN5chu/54KDP3xS3MnvLwaTcvarUT9aIz5mxrqxdJBMp4iNJKfi4shXWAOhus= X-Received: by 2002:aed:23b4:: with SMTP id j49mr38446398qtc.175.1553797001544; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1553796961.229623922@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: <1553796961.229623922@apps.rackspace.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:16:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: "David P. Reed" Cc: cerowrt-devel , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:16:42 -0000 Well, it's a widely placed story in every newspaper. On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:16 AM David P. Reed wrote: > > The NYTimes has become a mouthpiece for those who want to see China as th= e new evil empire. Recent pieces by David Sanger have hyped the idea that t= he US has a "5G Gap" and that China (Huawei) will threaten to conquer the w= orld with 5G superiority, so we should be vigilantly opposing Huawei. > > > > Worth noting that Cisco, ALU, ... are not any better than Huawei appears = to be in these matters. But they aren't getting headlines in the NYTimes. > > > > Remember, Judith Miller wrote NYTimes headlines based on "leaks from seni= or intelligence officials" that Saddam Hussein was on the verge of deployin= g dirty bombs, nuclear missiles and biowarfare agents. > > > > Recently, Bloomberg got scammed by "leaks from senior intelligence offici= als" that Supermicro (Chinese) had built and sold server motherboards that = had special chips soldered into them that didn't belong there [the stories = were completely debunked by the companies supposedly targeted]. > > > > Personally, I think the cynical fearmongering here does the legitimate se= curity engineering community no good at all. It's just more "wag the dog" p= syops, designed to let all the pseudo-security-experts take over the story = and get their 15 minutes in the headlines. > > > > The Qualcomms and Ciscos of the US are happy to get the USG to help scare= countries off of Chinese brandnames. But the open secret is that Qualcomm = and Cisco's systems are designed and made in China, too. There's no US manu= facturing of switches, and precious few entirely American hardware design c= enters, either. > > > > So be a little skeptical. Check the story behind the story. Don't believe= stories based on "intelligence agency" leaks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Taht" > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:55pm > To: "cerowrt-devel" , "bloat" > Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today > > https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/technology/huawei-security-british-rep= ort.html > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740