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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [Bloat] an observation from the field
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:07:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw5ZYTJJSjggzL+gtnw2DbeAenwJ+ozF4K=c_KN8fUmDsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

In looking over the increasingly vast sqm-related deployment, there's
a persistent data point that pops up regarding inbound shaping at high
rates.

We give users a choice - run out of cpu at those rates or do inbound
sqm at a rate their cpu can afford.  A remarkable percentage are
willing to give up tons of bandwidth in order to avoid latency
excursions (oft measured, even in these higher speed 200+Mbit
deployments, in the 100s of ms) -

At least some users want low delay always. It's just the theorists
that want high utilization right at the edge of capacity. Users are
forgiving about running out of cpu - disgruntled, but forgiving.

Certainly I'm back at the point of recommending tbf+fq_codel for
inbound shaping at higher rates - and looking at restoring the high
speed version of cake - and I keep thinking a better policer is
feasible.

-- 

Dave Täht
CEO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-669-226-2619

             reply	other threads:[~2018-08-28 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-28 17:07 Dave Taht [this message]
2018-08-28 18:22 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2018-08-28 23:53 ` David Collier-Brown
2018-08-29  0:16   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-08-29  8:20     ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-08-29 15:37       ` Dave Taht

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