From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 272043B25E for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u201so153915048oie.0 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:31:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQH2DgWyaFvnvuY0z58pJXcLLlfuq8Je5zLPlq8W9Aw=; b=kDARvbyc1JiCdMpV1j/wF3F7ERgaeFMCg/EwPHGZFZ0/8EIfqWHIz9WXba1H2wWM7X /FhP3IOGuS++prPLAis6dDKywFVIQQAin2HzKqcaSgQsrZCPY8qZNMNzy/6sx9xJjs3v 9hKwB7+SMcuPnfVFn3qR/7mv4Rk3f2D7AlBkT9GzxpqnMB7g8nM0G8equvvRKU/xDSuS gE9PUUxasdgUK+xSST7gKdCC1TcMgNEMb5b6RmtT2S3hLjAVx56ZFhhOq320YGdvzU3P acuI5f0NKk7E4rAa9B10wCr26RHiLwR4/wyT8FahNkggxFGk5QZLvz5tLDUoxrmmYPyg 8BnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQH2DgWyaFvnvuY0z58pJXcLLlfuq8Je5zLPlq8W9Aw=; b=LtL2ipsp0nqvKd9lw4a3/yRL//sFTokRciTVAk8S+SB6kGnEv5U6WJH4h3ykbV67fE uU+V1N4/xa3aNY6uqCQ9J6uGC32fqjvChWCxe1Ji8jh92OumeAAdwCJsRjiklfU7HfXp roON9/KWkml9NC4SLq471W12VYOUxwBEMKKOakybGIxhZqrIjaa5EehnP8BnRhPC3RlE MDgGM2UB5gqDmKHUrvz8SOy3e+ETH0f04O6Zn9nkP/ji2RHS2UVcYhP28O45vnNBvFvB 9RBC+fezv7uE0zqbdsz2faK+82mAlIyv+/j5VDC4PdiGNOvzthpFCE50d1EuApRvrMNX 8gBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI/20HxRq6X/pdZ1jycda3OEGEVN8pyS5w/fN32jP3vSarqYiAuXRyNgHqXpLpZFDWH7QqS+K9gVH4AgA== X-Received: by 10.157.9.226 with SMTP id 31mr4582240otz.165.1466256710406; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.175.130 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874m8qvje4.fsf@toke.dk> References: <57650074.90106@gmail.com> <57652072.7020708@gmail.com> <5765248F.5000108@gmail.com> <87porevkfu.fsf@toke.dk> <57652B2C.6010209@gmail.com> <874m8qvje4.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:31:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Jan Ceuleers , Jonathan Morton , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] ultrafast broadband conference june 27-30 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:31:51 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > Jan Ceuleers writes: > >> On 18/06/16 12:51, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >>> I know of at least one DSL vendor who supposedly has started paying >>> attention after pressure from a clueful ISP; not idea if they started >>> shipping non-bloated products yet. >> >> Got it. >> >> To get more ISPs interested in this subject we need to get Ookla to take >> account of bufferbloat. So long as speedtest.net and the Ookla servers >> many ISPs have in their labs ignore latency under load there will not be >> any pressure on the CPE industry to clean up its act. > > Yup. Unfortunately we've had no luck thus far. Correction: free.fr made the requisite changes in their revolution V6 DSL firmware, and shipped it to customers, 3 months after fq_codel was released. > https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest is an alternative speedtest that > does include bufferbloat scores. > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org