From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ia0-f171.google.com (mail-ia0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AE9F21F169; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ia0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b35so1011302iac.16 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=U9kRgHhSjbLUi4OroxUDcFmquaTDlZKbx+a8TNUotTI=; b=KALaIdyqjZdk0Rphfbg5LPx0NBQnxG3rBShv3faf2F2mktp9zexnWrIeSji0m/2zgF wVNSrfdw0QVNymdUbE/rkaUfzb5U5sJRqQPkCU0YPVXVNsXg14NVgz88MW3h2JMu7rad JxTJk/QSK3MBDALdQ5upxXcDnuU0fG9mdVaifjJGlfXRVMUh4q2u59t2B5p5zE7rdID8 rWnNjdf2oKlBntr0/4hCkdopGRec1C3deFIJSdnMkVvhO7Ccszsae3q1p1E874+4KvTx niFTo3DiB/ALpWH+zaqXPkcjEX9sTrmMhhK/F3Qhp+e1AZyo9ROI6WOJtzUHqbIPJwaB GNkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.189.193 with SMTP id gk1mr6153001igc.22.1353317326594; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.135.39 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:28:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:28:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: bloat , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] bufferbloat and the web service providers X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:28:47 -0000 I am not into politics. Really. A problem, though is getting the NN people on both sides to stand down, because the real problem was bufferbloat - and then work together to move forward, on an engineering, rather than political basis. So, incidentally, while I'm suddenly paying attention to politics, while trying to find some way to get this engineering effort funded for next year... I noticed a new lobbying group has come out of stealth mode, representing the web apps people, google, facebook, salesforce.com etc http://internetassociation.org/ Anybody know these guys? I have long hoped to get these services aware that they needed to help fix bufferbloat if they wanted their cloud based businesses to work better. IF I felt like expending money on a marketing campaign to explain our issue, and get some funds towards fixing wifi in particular - the script to the video would look like this (leveraging the old "brain on drugs" meme) * This is your cloud based business - showing a fast, normal load time of some major website * This is your cloud based business on bufferbloat - showing a loaded webload go to hell of that site * This is your cloud based business with bufferbloat fixed - * Any questions? - point back to campaign site Then create a copy of that 30 second piece for every one of the web service providers listed as supporting the above org. And as many others as possible. And get it on youtube. And buy some ads. I have no idea how much that would cost to produce professionally (?) (at a cut above what jg has already done), but I'm certain it would do some good, both in raising awareness and maybe gaining funding for next year. --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html