[Bloat] gamebench quote

[Bloat] gamebench quote

[Dave Taht]

https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/

"Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
gaming."

-- 
This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[dan]

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This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.

I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
that latency is important :D

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
>
> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
> gaming."
>
> --
> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> _______________________________________________
> LibreQoS mailing list
> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>

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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[Robert Chacón]

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Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload
bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
We made a page on our website <https://jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/>
that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added
the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about
"speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing
gigabit bandwidth.

> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
that latency is important :D

This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps
WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <
libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
> uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
> faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
> example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
> though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
> than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
> the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
> 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.
>
> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
> that latency is important :D
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
>>
>> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
>> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
>> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
>> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
>> gaming."
>>
>> --
>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
>> LibreQoS mailing list
>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>
> _______________________________________________
> LibreQoS mailing list
> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>


-- 
Robert Chacón
CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC <http://jackrabbitwireless.com>
Dev | LibreQoS.io

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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[dan]

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nice.  I like your color coded speed map as well. Been considering that but
also don't want the competition to know exactly what's up, like to keep
them on their toes.  They've wasted money building into areas that we
already have superior service and they get nothing.  There's some Sun Tzu
quote about that :D


On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 4:17 PM Robert Chacón <
robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote:

> Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
> Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload
> bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
> We made a page on our website
> <https://jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/> that tries to educate
> prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added the GameBench quote to
> it (thanks, Dave!)
> Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about
> "speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing
> gigabit bandwidth.
>
> > I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
> that latency is important :D
>
> This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps
> WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
>> uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
>> faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
>> example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
>> though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
>> than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
>> the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
>> 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.
>>
>> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
>> that latency is important :D
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
>> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
>>>
>>> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
>>> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
>>> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
>>> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
>>> gaming."
>>>
>>> --
>>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> LibreQoS mailing list
>>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> LibreQoS mailing list
>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>
>
>
> --
> Robert Chacón
> CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC <http://jackrabbitwireless.com>
> Dev | LibreQoS.io
>
>

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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[Hayden Simon]

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This!


HAYDEN SIMON
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From: LibreQoS <libreqos-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of dan via LibreQoS
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 12:21 pm
To: Robert Chacón <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

nice.  I like your color coded speed map as well. Been considering that but also don't want the competition to know exactly what's up, like to keep them on their toes.  They've wasted money building into areas that we already have superior service and they get nothing.  There's some Sun Tzu quote about that :D


On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 4:17 PM Robert Chacón <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com<mailto:robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com>> wrote:
Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
We made a page on our website<https://jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/> that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about "speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing gigabit bandwidth.

> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D

This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.

I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/

"Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
gaming."

--
This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
_______________________________________________
LibreQoS mailing list
LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net>
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
_______________________________________________
LibreQoS mailing list
LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net>
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos


--
Robert Chacón
CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC<http://jackrabbitwireless.com>
Dev | LibreQoS.io<http://LibreQoS.io>


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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[Sebastian Moeller]

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Hi Robert,

This is surprisingly rich in useful information and quite lean on marketing (given that this is marketing material having easily accessible links to source material is unusually open*). Nice. 

Regards
        Sebastian

*) Personally that approach would likely reel me in as customer, if I lived in your service area ;)


On 14 November 2022 00:16:57 CET, "Robert Chacón via Bloat" <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
>Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload
>bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
>We made a page on our website <https://jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/>
>that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added
>the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
>Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about
>"speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing
>gigabit bandwidth.
>
>> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
>that latency is important :D
>
>This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps
>WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.
>
>On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <
>libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
>> uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
>> faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
>> example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
>> though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
>> than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
>> the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
>> 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.
>>
>> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
>> that latency is important :D
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
>> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
>>>
>>> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
>>> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
>>> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
>>> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
>>> gaming."
>>>
>>> --
>>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> LibreQoS mailing list
>>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> LibreQoS mailing list
>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Robert Chacón
>CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC <http://jackrabbitwireless.com>
>Dev | LibreQoS.io

-- 
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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[MORTON JR., AL]

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Hi Dave, all,

I’m taking a slightly contrarian position here:

When I read, “...that latency has now clearly overtaken broadband speed ...”,
IMO, it’s only correct when we include the efforts to increase uplink speeds, and can therefore minimize the complexity of low-layer uplink protocols. The continued suppression of uplink speeds in simplified marketing helps users overlook a critical factor in ISP service.

In other words, all the terrestrial access “wants to be fiber”.

Example: We stayed at my frugal brother-in-law’s home, where he had purchased the low-end rate offered by his fiber-based ISP. It was 25Mbps, symmetrical rates. The bottom line is that this was a perfectly adequate service offer for zoom conferences and streaming video viewing. My measurements confirmed the rates, and that packet transfer had few defects.

So for me, the 3 pillars are: sufficient capacity for *all* users involved, symmetrical uplink bit rate, and the upstream access protocol should converge to zilch*, all leading to few impairments, including latency.

Al

* this is hard to achieve without the first two...


From: LibreQoS <libreqos-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Sebastian Moeller via LibreQoS
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 3:41 AM
To: Robert Chacón <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com>; Robert Chacón via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
Cc: libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] gamebench quote

Hi Robert,

This is surprisingly rich in useful information and quite lean on marketing (given that this is marketing material having easily accessible links to source material is unusually open*). Nice.

Regards
Sebastian

*) Personally that approach would likely reel me in as customer, if I lived in your service area ;)

On 14 November 2022 00:16:57 CET, "Robert Chacón via Bloat" <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
We made a page on our website<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/__;!!BhdT!kq0CZoKMKwb2D8vdc8m1LDfa-BJWX-jfpGlXkqKM_mh-jgFcOVh7zh5KRsV_tQ4Wp9_zLRd_OiYVkubsR8Jq6OA$> that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about "speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing gigabit bandwidth.

> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D

This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.

I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/__;!!BhdT!kq0CZoKMKwb2D8vdc8m1LDfa-BJWX-jfpGlXkqKM_mh-jgFcOVh7zh5KRsV_tQ4Wp9_zLRd_OiYVkubsfy00yj4$>

"Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
gaming."

--
This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz__;!!BhdT!kq0CZoKMKwb2D8vdc8m1LDfa-BJWX-jfpGlXkqKM_mh-jgFcOVh7zh5KRsV_tQ4Wp9_zLRd_OiYVkubsqn1PMDM$>
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

[dan]

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Al, I do agree with you from a consumer's perspective.  There are those of
us that are trying to get latency to the top of the heap, which has
prerequisites of adequate bandwidth in both directions, but consumers
aren't there and big providers are also very much not there.  Still
slinging 300x20 for reasons unknown unless it's to preserve CPU/Routing
performance on aging hardware.  All of the cross connects on the internet
are full duplex so unless the access tech is limiting things... no good
reason for the abysmal uploads in relation to downloads except to preserve
underpowered hardware or to prevent customers for using it to push them to
different service packages.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:18 PM MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave, all,
>
>
>
> I’m taking a slightly contrarian position here:
>
>
>
> When I read, “...that latency has now clearly overtaken broadband speed
> ...”,
>
> IMO, it’s only correct when we include the efforts to increase uplink
> speeds, and can therefore minimize the complexity of low-layer uplink
> protocols. The continued suppression of uplink speeds in simplified
> marketing helps users overlook a critical factor in ISP service.
>
>
>
> In other words, all the terrestrial access “wants to be fiber”.
>
>
>
> Example: We stayed at my frugal brother-in-law’s home, where he had
> purchased the low-end rate offered by his fiber-based ISP. It was 25Mbps,
> symmetrical rates. The bottom line is that this was a perfectly adequate
> service offer for zoom conferences and streaming video viewing. My
> measurements confirmed the rates, and that packet transfer had few defects.
>
>
>
> So for me, the 3 pillars are: sufficient capacity for **all** users
> involved, symmetrical uplink bit rate, and the upstream access protocol
> should converge to zilch*, all leading to few impairments, including
> latency.
>
>
>
> Al
>
>
>
> * this is hard to achieve without the first two...
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LibreQoS <libreqos-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> *On Behalf Of *Sebastian
> Moeller via LibreQoS
> *Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2022 3:41 AM
> *To:* Robert Chacón <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com>; Robert Chacón
> via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] gamebench quote
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> This is surprisingly rich in useful information and quite lean on
> marketing (given that this is marketing material having easily accessible
> links to source material is unusually open*). Nice.
>
> Regards
> Sebastian
>
> *) Personally that approach would likely reel me in as customer, if I
> lived in your service area ;)
>
> On 14 November 2022 00:16:57 CET, "Robert Chacón via Bloat" <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
>
> Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload
> bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
>
> We made a page on our website
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/__;!!BhdT!kq0CZoKMKwb2D8vdc8m1LDfa-BJWX-jfpGlXkqKM_mh-jgFcOVh7zh5KRsV_tQ4Wp9_zLRd_OiYVkubsR8Jq6OA$>
> that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added
> the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
>
> Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about
> "speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing
> gigabit bandwidth.
>
>
>
> > I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
> that latency is important :D
>
>
>
> This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps
> WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
> uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
> faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
> example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
> though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
> than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
> the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
> 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.
>
> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
> that latency is important :D
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
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> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
> gaming."
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> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
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