From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x134.google.com (mail-il1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A77073B2A4 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x134.google.com with SMTP id i22so4924324ila.11 for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 07:38:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HG1pMxMIyUrStioehh8NQqC+XDDZSc1HsCTDjcBq/gY=; b=KkkMsR+eMjWtZ/VCblxobMtn/s3nUbjnVqLeJGBb/4NuR7FrbOZ6GcYyWecXXCvnud mjZVEwqNp/PSJGuLtse1vpoIBpF6JvINd/vAxvF6oej/qLz6Q+TrzmN26ZBHCXvWz86L qum0J+CwD+T478F+W4jvoA3FHwWy6aAVkMqdS276gei1c8o/gH3wcg1/hj+jzC2K505Q 2BmYMKsnN5l3+qiZp7818kL3zjeeDhsPbsTo6dMfpuf1UGo9UFqINjinYrvY0Db9+mB4 3CMiJq7Oh1/lTE+hvJgIYy1z2zANTpgfGEGnLA/coLWUoBH5M+iWwtPJrl4zdxesWHKo 0jig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HG1pMxMIyUrStioehh8NQqC+XDDZSc1HsCTDjcBq/gY=; b=RaNNwS6lZqD8SYg+K3CytOwbPheTF8Er1YcnD8t1e9NK9RCzVw3zzlWeu3IPI6vK1d JicyEnk/bj85jJ0tjQQeDQzr0aKMnnFB9U23MnvU9I6zeSC/n35qnId1U3A9Yd0pco2X IXAqL/lGX52sHp4OYo8eYV5pMbl52275SfSvLhv76junDR1Li2xAwDA1r0EeixDsjosY LwL1JRVET0wHRlFeH7PhB9oaJ+cSFF4jGCEpSfV7vvljIf2ZxL3OFD8NH8riFSDXKFCE 5BiVu0izBG2BUyUgMljOrGFLLJ8UjSSwfU2nXtJXtdEelQEO12MDrCIIPBv7yh6ZJmuZ oRmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ErTu8eL8p5xz+iPFw43pP6pwxhoMpsdhBQ7Si6I3IgWVWIY+z Ko4DjrZBtCQ3M/KtRfPf37VDhw5rVYioYuyNjT9cPUQe X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzzla5Uepg3preV4H+lkdbPGqqWYlD40LFTB6x/kwzJhoiPMMl+ExnkPyO1DcUF5wmppJj4ko7iTXaOxGyNsxw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1ba5:: with SMTP id n5mr4477924ili.45.1620311937054; Thu, 06 May 2021 07:38:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <211C00F4-BAFE-4F04-B39B-CCFA76FB980E@consultant.com> <273096b5-1986-40ad-d169-db30b70a6861@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> In-Reply-To: <273096b5-1986-40ad-d169-db30b70a6861@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 07:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: Erik Auerswald Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 14:38:57 -0000 I too like idle and working. On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 12:42 AM Erik Auerswald wrote: > > Hi, > > I, too, think that "idle" and "working" seem to be > useful terms here. An alternative to "idle" might > be "minimum," since this implies that the latency > is not always at the minimum. > > Thanks, > Erik > > On 05.05.21 02:14, James R Cutler wrote: > > Jason, > > > > I find =E2=80=9Cidle=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cworking=E2=80=9D to be under= standable both individually and as opposites in almost any field or endeavo= r. These terms also mesh with typical speed test instructions regarding tes= ting under idle conditions without working internet applications. > > > > James > > > >> On May 4, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Livingood, Jason via Bloat wrote: > >> > >> Like many of you I have been immersed in buffer bloat discussions for = many years, almost entirely within the technical community. Now that I am s= tarting to explain latency & latency under load to internal non-technical f= olks, I have noticed some people don=E2=80=99t really understand =E2=80=9Ct= raditional=E2=80=9D latency vs. latency under load (LUL). > >> > >> As a result, I am planning to experiment in some upcoming briefings an= d call traditional latency =E2=80=9Cidle latency=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 a measu= re of latency conducted on an otherwise idle connection. And then try calli= ng LUL either =E2=80=9Cactive latency=E2=80=9D or perhaps =E2=80=9Cworking = latency=E2=80=9D (suggested by an external colleague =E2=80=93 can=E2=80=99= t take credit for that one) =E2=80=93 to try to communicate it is latency w= hen the connection is experiencing normal usage. > >> > >> Have any of you here faced similar challenges explaining this to non-t= echnical audiences? Have you had any success with alternative terms? What d= o you think of these? > >> > >> Thanks for any input, > >> Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Latest Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC