From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 064393CB39 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id g3so2630114wri.6 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:52:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hoZUjWC4sDQmZrW0qnzY/ItxoQ+ZNSHsbA02A2xT8DQ=; b=a99CneINskzMQY3haViwRjXvh7zUt0jQ0WukaYcCnpcg3o/TS0TsNmmaPY7TSjqRBL 6dey3rRt9dh07HEPivi+YJFa+pt4TWQjKrxeQ034PBLmLlQS9UMFFzrU9/VOHcFPUYsa gmCZXTi+YzzLwcmRWOrezyJhVjQS3CXxyaA2UwAGQZWFpzCSzppBjBhdx9vkVyhWxHbF 1c4frmCwjlmgM5dhvQaKvEXYoaMW2TWw6MFwQjQ+EyJMY+EtYAtnqelIjD7qT9oQ45QR yehL48IKpiM+6GpLDc7KqDXVuoxkrTmrWrB5BzlRQ6AEwLMJyE5cwP7gO5wP2vicmocx /tRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=hoZUjWC4sDQmZrW0qnzY/ItxoQ+ZNSHsbA02A2xT8DQ=; b=m5EjE4i8nZbn6U8qcTOgUYMGj9jzzmuxsUxKh6aerrnzBXvdCLxqYyleDwQqsrPQmG v6SXhXBfkPSnm/DYss9nbHmh5UdGbDAECtHEC3+Lv5vwZdOVjOM1vPWYjaIF4vUXGtzi 68vsWhDXUxpIOo8l6GUmcNnWvzZVcCAZICKJpdUsDR9wsQR8cC8PdtkRRjgDJGF1yrfk w1t3LNvm2u70joO6CSvqzLXFY8QtusALL7SoWovFZJZXSKuq22ayhaflKPUbBR+EzArV xK897bPHzH3wAw4YlvOk/OiO99UoWXITSifPaPBh+l58W74jTYs4RuNxTAosEGNo3JTf zlsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKX8/wNhGrRrfYpFFOksjTbKiodWeGKkOTVxeT6yYS3cp9PkKrZ4 QQKqpQ4x/U2gyK3dk7dvEnWJgMQP6vGuRKdFrWpFlZVlUQo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set854tjTHK1hq4QBluGINY3Ev+Oc07ks7dzt/LhbAOuAop4NxpPbC9Y5vPvTYWordq5wH/4cdsiILRhnfyrEK2I= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5a9a:0:b0:2c5:4adc:6e52 with SMTP id bp26-20020a5d5a9a000000b002c54adc6e52mr3683125wrb.3.1677628322420; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:52:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:51:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bloat] expired internet draft X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:52:04 -0000 This was really good: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-tmrg-tools-05.txt --=20 A pithy note on VOQs vs SQM: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/juniper/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC