From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net,
"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: "Klatsky, Carl" <Carl_Klatsky@cable.comcast.com>
Subject: [Bloat] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs cablemodems
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:13:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw65hQvEsTWnW6rxdhw33KVt+N7eeqxcg7w-rPvPqW3H6Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
One thing I find remarkable is that my isochronous 10ms ping flow test
(trying to measure the accuracy of the dslreports test) totally
heisenbugs the cable 16 (used to be 24) flow dslreports test.
Without, using cake as the inbound and outbound shaper, I get a grade
of C to F, due to inbound latencies measured in the seconds.
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/479096
With that measurement flow, I do so much better, (max observed latency
of 210ms or so) with grades ranging from B to A...
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/478950
I am only sending and receiving an extra ~10000 bytes/sec (100 ping
packets/sec) to get this difference between results. The uplink is
11Mbits, downlink 110 (configured for 100)
Only things I can think of are:
* ack prioritization on the modem
* hitting packet limits on the CMTS forcing drops upstream (there was
a paper on this idea, can't remember the name (?) )
* always on media access reducing grant latency
* cake misbehavior (it is well understood codel does not react fast enough here)
* cake goodness (fq of the ping making for less ack prioritization?)
* ????
I am pretty sure the cable makers would not approve of someone
continuously pinging their stuff in order to get lower latency on
downloads (but it would certainly be one way to add continuous tuning
of the real rate to cake!)
Ideas?
The simple test:
# you need to be root to ping on a 10ms interval
# and please pick your own server!
$ sudo fping -c 10000 -i 10 -p 10 snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net >
vscabletest_cable.out
start a dslreports "cable" test in your browser
abort the (CNTRL-C) ping when done. Post processing of fping's format
$ cat vscabletest_cable.out | cut -f3- -d, | awk '{ print $1 }' >
vscabletest-cable.txt
import into your favorite spreadsheet and plot.
next reply other threads:[~2015-05-14 19:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-14 19:13 Dave Taht [this message]
2015-05-15 2:48 ` Greg White
2015-05-15 4:44 ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Aaron Wood
2015-05-15 8:18 ` Eggert, Lars
2015-05-15 8:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-15 17:40 ` Rick Jones
2015-05-16 7:25 ` Eggert, Lars
2015-05-15 11:27 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-05-15 12:19 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-15 12:44 ` Eggert, Lars
2015-05-15 13:09 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-05-15 13:35 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-15 14:36 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-18 3:30 ` dpreed
2015-05-18 5:06 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-18 9:06 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-05-18 11:42 ` Eggert, Lars
2015-05-18 11:57 ` luca.muscariello
2015-05-18 12:30 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-18 15:03 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-18 15:09 ` dpreed
2015-05-18 15:26 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-05-18 15:32 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-18 17:21 ` [Bloat] [Cake] " Dave Taht
2015-05-18 15:40 ` [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2015-05-18 17:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-18 17:17 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-18 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-18 18:37 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-19 16:25 ` [Bloat] [Cake] " Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-15 16:59 ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2015-05-15 17:47 ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
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