From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A872A3CB39 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id o7so4971368qkc.1 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:55:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6MsGS3xV+ki1/IH3yBzi5ZoRNvlYeFdhsvWuFrzWLM8=; b=lZWYMMf+AAg39AFkYuXFADZRUrOMooWvC3crR0VmgS5CIKCm2j+Cp93XeRbtb7+vWt pFpjz8nRfJhrMzuxCRcdtns6LRksomBTbhtf7hy/NJy6IAQrTVEJY8TnvSVlUAMx+4K7 vfivcmgCHWPy77v8hcHRGJv86TMk1RQH1IzDYBWZ5OTKw4JyHP1gQxQUs7ouSWAvIcR0 3Oa1nkBIR8ELGSAeeWyxr3M91lFhFEgx//eIiLwO1fmR9DnjuLIwXDEKfw6c6b43z7zC fb/SoLj2AxAU2gHToUmLGj+ykd2q0gx6Pnh6UQ2j3isDEOupUAm2Ez5oIfhETY+haBmM w2GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6MsGS3xV+ki1/IH3yBzi5ZoRNvlYeFdhsvWuFrzWLM8=; b=oX1B5zLQLjn8EaFyusNsxI+bYMTqV5X986AAF1sT9xLL5SuBFMics5PDSdepm7I4tO p+yV4iNzGivjDw41uyM5isF9N4hYa1fc81KSbIMv7RFCwEP42FmJmsa/ZjIG1D0MsGAy 6w7TUdMQGn9nMIA5raVYJZ88Or1owVxkR5RYTwZLz8+v4X/XkbApQJNtxjN0oFWwMTcq F2FuEWBHRcgAhr1N7NWclP5noUJOdi0qhA6iySdUpDwB8bqqUTmjIfDTM3oGfzaFebWo mvJK5h4TKpdmFazbs7Yvl1PVBnmlmRpZIfLnIlZ07wW5qvSQGALrYA0xNYXFagB6+GJo gJGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPA+U5CgHlJ8vbrgkcIkZ21uD1qJYxkwnVZkvwdIp1kd6OMG01Ga 8cmwhxPMbcXuIuTNaO/nVQNTsXlpRgGa6wyqLa4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224CY2RI6Va8Qwod4216LITshPmfClgAfH0zmy+SknSk6N2WIE3/zl9qdlZlX1JgwjwKtttgIQAu7Wf4ZkWVdMk= X-Received: by 10.55.27.18 with SMTP id b18mr13919059qkb.355.1518458120330; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:55:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.153.237 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:55:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:55:18 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jim Gettys Cc: Jan Ceuleers , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:55:20 -0000 I would certainly like to see translations and outreach into China... Taiwan... Japan... India... Central and South America... Africa... but to me the simpler thing would be to garner folk to ask at vendor/isp press conferences: "Have you implemented RFC8290 yet? If not, when?"