Actually I feel that at speeds greater than *50*Mbits, most of the bloat moves to the wifi, but perhaps I should qualify it more, Modern wifi can do almost 2gbits a few feet from the AP, but still has a dynamic range of 5Mbit to 2gbit. Interference, contention, range, all factor into when you hit a FIFO "cliff", and stay there. 

I wish I knew how many commercial APs outside of eero, cisco meraki, gfiber, and starlink have adopted fq_codel. Certainly I am pleased as punch at openwrt's adoption. And seeing at least a few fiber folk shipping better wifi.

Moreso, if only more vendors did a RvRvlatency test like: http://flent-newark.bufferbloat.net/~d/Airtime%20based%20queue%20limit%20for%20FQ_CoDel%20in%20wireless%20interface.pdf

A hugely mitigating factor is people self adapting to move closer to the AP (or mesh), another is most traffic never cracks 20 mbit for very long.

I am sad that every coffee shop I frequent save one, has horrible bufferbloat, but it  usually only shows up when you try to do s videoconference.



On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 8:32 AM Jan Ceuleers via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
On 18/08/2024 11:08, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote:
> In various posts, I have baldly asserted that "above 300-500mbps ISP links, all the bufferbloat moves into the Wi-Fi."
>
> I am pretty sure that I someone on these lists stated that as fact.
>
> Could I get a link to a discussion that is definitive? Or a statement that is actually true that I can incorporate into my future posts? Many thanks.

Quite evidently there are WiFi access points and clients available whose
speeds exceed 500 Mbit/s, so in order to be able to make such a claim
one would need to know the extent to which those newer WiFi technologies
are not yet deployed.

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