From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1E313B29D for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id k8so10966478iop.12 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jWb+84p4qq+Y7d81j/GdqfIngWYQ7dzAaIm1eV36b5A=; b=gpvz2WEZFmg+p4+eNVqv/ANiGUoFDWRQzKqaqIA7rsVZPdS8rT+ekzf0fU4+Fel/z0 V3w1xkPAUAkCk5wow1H8yQpdm8p6dhtgsxwST6vmX8JX7mYphzDm7idUP+dQSs05Eong 0ya93oVHDKkJcesZbK6Z+Pox254Lx1wXQO4WBDawuL96TmriGKaZG1dFJVhYYSECH10g SvTwfErYLHaIuVAO8REzPe9NKVeoOTiypn3lYb41XreCx8Qf8C5ZMcc9vic0r4PmC3cH Y+rEVFReJHroIiw0vZtkhYKw+3uQGpCkc6Cqdw80VqDFOdD+REApv4HUUd8QKJJA33PI SG0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jWb+84p4qq+Y7d81j/GdqfIngWYQ7dzAaIm1eV36b5A=; b=D0H5QSS4PQs60kMzZnFceNAVGciVn5gSaFq8AuWjv9DQKqw767oC/towyG3gntEM3R h/BoxrVkQotX68WFUsiMedAZ0FQ14b+r0t3dtghXplN7qGBtM5Ovk3C6qP1IYBckHZTw Vyg0whlIuQUrI36r1F5BlMe3zyta7wiPIRzmrDdAvhDQOgGpA6C2Je+3+Bdlb9AXKgpu e8F0NcB0e0Vz+xMsCd54A7510/WqvIdP2jdPVeKznntySnwxDOHKOljJZuGaGV0XalbW Nt1lPJcOaCNVA2C41YLKDsuOiy8E0cPTiWNaxsys9Bsgxn2QSBgKwcOB8p0eaGUtwKAI /Sgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GnLmMi7tU5k93ScqvCxIuyhDBc2dgz4lGLjzbhglcGg+p2lBi VYaSv6zFzKV+buyuWCIotf+pxnm0hKEffbkZDmc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzI+bn9pK891ffxh3oL11z84gj/JWnlL6UZiJ0Gk2U40LYTy6TB0tTgyN93+9EXLzMqdU8hFfrRlJCA9hULvJI= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8453:: with SMTP id w19mr21278517ior.25.1617659749434; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9A233C8C-5C48-4483-A087-AA5FE1011388@gmail.com> <320ECDF6-8B03-4995-944B-4726B866B2D3@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <320ECDF6-8B03-4995-944B-4726B866B2D3@gmx.de> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:55:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Questions for Bufferbloat Wikipedia article X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 21:55:50 -0000 The biggest internet spike I ever saw was this one. https://web.archive.org/web/20171113211640/http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/bufferbloat_on_the_backbone/ (the image has expired elsewhere. Someone tell Orwell!) Ironically it occurred during a videoconference with the shuttleworth folk. In improving the bufferbloat definition, I think some pretty graphs with circles and arrows on a paragraph of each one certifying the evidence for it, would be a case of american blind justice... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_8U4j51lI