From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ia0-x235.google.com (mail-ia0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E69921F194 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f181.google.com with SMTP id o25so2744274iad.40 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LBbvML6qtc78hzS9yKj+wBspB6eNbRa4GOgtFYpMYAk=; b=zCUsfpkfEpfCoPyrDQy2Kayg8RVHOPk8mI1JKL1t/iLmWtIlUo3l1R+Y6+ARg5uQuE DcM9ZRkzkOtRrwJ5dL6Lhg1Zek4418zj7kGihgKSI8PQKyNn5gAGWQW2Qyg4cscrfPjU wGxLTiLTX9yfmscEHdA3Qty5AY6JNoIDhOTYjh4j3oQ2NpLifvCnf6Weq20Y1zAoowaf S71qbn1jxV4tu07bvKQnRMX67b9ySrGiSeOBUh88fdNakTCElVcbkPMynbG5NRe8ap6Z ryV1anTYkz3QdL8Y6LAmBJz/+rW4bLwPkm21XO/eULn8XcxWBRMQoSpQgPIcAG0IpJG5 Ml+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.196.234 with SMTP id ip10mr2929777igc.27.1363890971315; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.132.71 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51408BF4.7090304@cisco.com> <8C48B86A895913448548E6D15DA7553B7D020F@xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com> <514B484F.2070902@net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de> <514B4DEB.3020402@net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:36:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Jim Gettys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "tsvwg@ietf.org" , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat today? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:36:12 -0000 Moreover, bloat, when it occurs, changes user behavior. Yesterday for example, I was on a skype call that became unusable. What did we do? Hung up, and switched to a landline. There's whole songs written about the problem at this point... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dn_ZvkrLkQxY --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html