From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B3A721F14D for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e11so5457791iej.15 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aaYnUDnpfgmpRr/ferAHxQEi/wm+dJ4sSIC9MQS4DlY=; b=QQQPdLS9hag+BQKocB4ksDO1lyjU8wDhL2AsA/AMM4kc4Ic2x/D8ITPDTihzsF2F3+ Q72MIMWOzBLwRBm26uIYskGlX/TyBtHgiiNZbTJbGk9oNwSlgPoWCfc4SSKLNktW/wtf NcNErurStWu/DLgnNKHBlQxqdcnDzNJT9ENV82VdoTu0U9Zl3qy49JewiRqdfxV7ULhf WoE40fp0UP+E4jWG5EZvsHaqCOYt2CCF4u2PliRacccV6W4OOOLX3mWAO5xBwjU+z5N1 32uF7lhlJEzxzZygCEqqw+bHxaVxvwSo11Y3XJxnc5YfZHutqsk5Rtk4xi8nM0ZRq+UQ BCgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.16.99 with SMTP id f3mr6298729igd.13.1372461576297; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.86.8 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51CE1970.8010606@callenish.com> References: <20130628215451.7B40E406061@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> <51CE1970.8010606@callenish.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:19:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Bruce Atherton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Google's QUIC has reached NANOG X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:19:37 -0000 The design document is a very valuable read. Tons of good ideas in there... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUo= VD34/preview?sle=3Dtrue On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Bruce Atherton wrote= : > On 28/06/2013 3:05 PM, Justin Andrusk wrote: >> >> >> So am I the only one concerned that they are looking to use udp instead = of >> tcp? >> >> > > It is an important part of the design. They want to multiplex streams int= o a > single connection, and ordered packets means one lost packet in one strea= m > holds up all the streams. Only way around that is with something other th= an > TCP right now. This is a major downside of multiplexing SPDY over using > multiple connections, which I believe was one of the prime motivators to > develop QUIC. > > In the FAQ, they mention that they are hoping once they get a good design= in > QUIC some of its ideas can be moved into TCP. Someday. > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html