From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C72693B25E for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id w5so134173372oib.2 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=l8HPJMsOKTWUlgr37IONApTn1C61DS/nQkHrmhQqKNk=; b=BJRejPfUPuYEBms82FzegV5IV3tHBqikrN6bNRzUuX2yfhfDUPKErdB5RemS4xOPs4 DtWjRXdrM3Qtwj9nnFmBRcsoGhod9zBlffIeLEKElFGTUHui+wkxALCFv1uVT41XiKyY ZjV1VMxaHiIOtAEvUvfvGHp9D1PGRd9UbvLBpQEGhPk3d5nr0QhLmX0dy39WuTkMUtBw Q8RqivRt97j5XDhe/kzlJVguzLBpBPTjZTtkmmVoDP3CRetuMViVea50ofSgiEp2zdG/ 7nastymMv/p0wSt3p7rlOrbJC+LzCGsDJbidqf7X1hz94an147wo8QAhVrGsqNZQRLWK numQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=l8HPJMsOKTWUlgr37IONApTn1C61DS/nQkHrmhQqKNk=; b=jmJZFbv+/kkVxxcge9xYhuESJlI4aCyZaDj72qlmj3tU86KOg2cRI17/rKtTsr1Jsp pF650x7Cjc7aUIj3M80HnEFBhAKqPWG2XEibzpFCHCWVOnb9fegF1q39JsBhtX8q4GJu FcP2xlHQALhLnYbjyKvfv2oVVYVMBzpVHnNvUqlSsEP89ip183HuEGK0JkMhH741rHBF C5u57UnLq+78b+4wJN4WYpF15xzBr/iXhdraoPjxyE+rtQFqN9lIW9+kmVH5gr8zbG15 i5uV39Kp9bfIcE/drXyaHT75CG1cJy6gCWkC4/JObf1Y/jh09DYxQveBNeptrR+M88HE rcKw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJ7iv3wZpiqwJeLc9LrZ16DRCKWs77j/RKK/Ssw55P5LQeH1YZnGRRuY+s6DTNa+qU/z5vzVhXEDcv6Ww== X-Received: by 10.157.9.226 with SMTP id 31mr8373784otz.165.1465832356158; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.229.210 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lh299l39.fsf@toke.dk> References: <86DAC1A9-D218-40A4-AD48-D9C0B4B01103@gmail.com> <87twh0j5dg.fsf@toke.dk> <87inxfk28r.fsf@toke.dk> <87wplvij9r.fsf@toke.dk> <2BB7767C-F58D-4A91-9EDF-03C9DD31D882@gmail.com> <87lh299l39.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:39:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat.net - Organizing, curating, and workflow X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:39:16 -0000 as for "Search in the age of slack", I totally missed that if we are going to do anything dynamic-ish and automagic for the front pages, that pulling a few entries from the mailing lists would probably help. Similarly the search engine should also incorporate lists.bufferbloat.net content. At the distributed web conference last week, I was stunned by a sea-change in interactions, everybody posted their twitter handles, instead of email addresses, and were interacting over slack (rather than irc) or federating via matrix.org. I do not know to what extent the old and new can be federated together.... The new front page looks good on a handheld but is not particularly useful. I'd move make-wifi-fast to the top and make it a link, in particular. The opening day of that conference is up on youtube with talks by mitchel baker, vint cerf, tim berners-lee, and cory doctorow, all worthwhile... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yth7O6yeZRE Doctorow's talk (about 5 hours in) was particularly inspiring. I wish I'd got a lightning talk in, as "TCP 101" and the effects of bufferbloat on edge-distributed content seems to have been missed by the new guard. http://blog.dshr.org/2016/04/brewster-kahles-distributed-web-proposal.html In terms of other bleeding edge distribution concepts there's things like ipfs.