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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: Loganaden Velvindron <loganaden@gmail.com>,
	 "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:00:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw6fhTThhcDABxWGiByFkNfzXca6F5zUELuK0R1_9KVQsg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1903171843200.3161@uplift.swm.pp.se>

I helped land a more rfc - compliant version of pie into net-next late
last year.

ironically, we had one open bug re ecn -
https://github.com/gautamramk/FQ-PIE-for-Linux-Kernel/issues/2 -
docsis pie supported ecn not at all. I actually hold a good opinion of
pie - it is a good single queue aqm, more responsive to overload than
codel is. Which is why I worked on it to bring it up to spec finally.

Next up was polishing that version of fq-pie for linux inclusion. I
was unsure if it had the same codel-derived rate estimator as the bsd
one, because pie's original estimator fails with many queues. I always
wondered if that behavior would show up also in todays hw (64 on many
10GigE cards).

"Pie was added". Um, er, I (we) worked hard through 7 or so revisions
of the original quite crappy contractor written code, to make it
acceptable for mainline and for test. For free. In terms of billable
time, I was probably out $60k or more.

No "was" there. I know I shouldn't be resenting that phrasing, but I'd
like to obtain some credit for being fair and impartial. Also
thoroughly benchmarked it. and discarded it as I felt that a 5ms codel
target for good queue was better than a 20ms one for pie.

I'd offered multiple times to help fix up the dualpi code, but could
not look at it due to the frand patent, which I asked privately, be
removed.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-17 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AM0PR07MB48198660539171737E4CCAB1E0730@AM0PR07MB4819.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
     [not found] ` <d91a6a71-5898-9571-2a02-0d9d83839615@bobbriscoe.net>
2019-03-15 10:46   ` [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2019-03-15 13:01     ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 14:06       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 15:52         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 17:01           ` [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] " David P. Reed
2019-03-15 17:45             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 18:36             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-15 19:23               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 19:32               ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 19:44                 ` David P. Reed
2019-03-15 20:13                   ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 23:43                     ` David P. Reed
2019-03-16  1:26                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16  7:38                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 18:56                         ` Michael Richardson
2019-03-15 20:28                 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-03-15 20:31                   ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 23:45                     ` David P. Reed
2019-03-16  9:42                       ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-16 10:08                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 10:23                           ` Nils Andreas Svee
2019-03-16 14:55                             ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-03-16 21:38               ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-16 21:57                 ` Vint Cerf
2019-03-16 22:03                   ` Dave Taht
2019-03-16 22:05                   ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-17 18:07                   ` David P. Reed
2019-03-17 18:05                     ` Vint Cerf
2019-03-19  1:06                     ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-19  3:18                       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-20 19:04                       ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 19:58                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-20 20:05                           ` Holland, Jake
     [not found]                         ` <5C9296E1.4010703@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
2019-03-20 20:00                           ` [Bloat] [tsvwg] " Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 20:05                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 20:55                             ` Greg White
2019-03-20 22:12                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-20 22:31                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 22:56                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-20 23:03                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 23:11                                     ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 23:28                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  8:15                                         ` [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-21  8:31                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-20 23:30                                       ` [Bloat] [tsvwg] [Ecn-sane] " Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-21  0:15                                         ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-21  0:41                               ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 21:48                         ` [Bloat] " Greg White
2019-03-20 21:56                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-20 22:38                           ` Holland, Jake
2019-03-20 22:56                             ` Greg White
2019-03-20 23:29                         ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-20 23:51                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  6:04                             ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  7:46                               ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-21  8:02                                 ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  8:49                                   ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-03-21 13:24                                     ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-22 12:53                                       ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-03-25  2:47                                         ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-21  8:45                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-24 20:15                           ` alex.burr
2019-03-25  1:34                             ` Bob Briscoe
2019-03-27 17:52                               ` Alex Burr
2019-03-19  4:44                     ` Greg White
2019-03-19  5:35                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-19  5:52                         ` Greg White
2019-03-19  7:10                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-19  8:07                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-19  8:50                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-19 23:59                       ` Dave Taht
2019-03-20 10:17                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-16 22:03                 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16 22:09                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-17 14:06                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-17 17:37                   ` Loganaden Velvindron
2019-03-17 17:40                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-17 17:44                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-17 18:00                       ` Dave Taht [this message]
2019-03-17 19:38                     ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-03-17 20:50                   ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-17 21:51                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-18  4:26                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-16  4:04             ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-16  4:51               ` Dave Taht
2019-03-15 18:07         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-15 14:27       ` [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 14:44         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-03-15 15:49           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-15 21:34     ` Wesley Eddy
2019-03-22 18:28 [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] " Victor Hou
2019-03-23  8:02 ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23  8:54   ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 10:02   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 15:03     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-03-23 19:52       ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 15:19     ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 17:16       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 19:45         ` Roland Bless
2019-03-23 17:48       ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-23 18:31         ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 18:40           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-03-23 19:11             ` Michael Welzl
2019-03-23 21:04             ` Luca Muscariello
2019-03-23 19:55         ` Roland Bless

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