From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C97B3B29E for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id u8so15854815iom.5 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 2019 12:05:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4KM3KIo/wNiaPJuVf/aco/iF/Epbtzop5EL0Z2hD0CQ=; b=SUgYakc+6jd31Z3R1O0AAY6sK7kFdA59iTVkzHREcLd7HdX998nilnhaqt+rL1wzeh lHznCr7v3iyG3Aqt0DWiRhTYShdx7e9c44Yk3NJIldSbj1CgAzo2HESwfjea3Ax+i9+l oe5CipFhiaBABDKz9Ny9rwyhrbCOXxk0QZjzQuM+rpjokMWHvuOjdprK+VsuYynaxgiM hZQPuO3CvjFuFV3i3Xg+MbzSuH+ZqQ7xkNgxqrSK/T4IfIxMDVqdmdnXgledpBJB/8Em pJObysBC2Z6v1uZsNGwQqUZGmEPF+OtE5mr1WEzg0sxd5+Z4BltVVip/DKior5NK+5du hwyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4KM3KIo/wNiaPJuVf/aco/iF/Epbtzop5EL0Z2hD0CQ=; b=JUB5vpTwBaidKec43yEGOgaAUMLVElIkGT4EMsFE2p4vJGej12p4zWY3ezEKXyh3aT Cz/l2fbeDG9w6lX5lvwu/fRMIfvuBh2yYUhX+LuuaWKbhthqfxn44DzQ1BBbKw1J5Nsk 2bwh671waLMBO4kOtghQRnxQMHSEXCyJOld/ONM0qrDo73roHQ2ev+uwQVLUQcuoObcG 4IQolFnoEi5VHdXjSN9woQ0p2MGFf/DoQXeC+7a4kCRSpccN4/VxfivgS5dW0vJA+1WA sjXWTi8B0S+kQS1CWKl8Oy+rRK8sqNfi26GHuIGp8Ajyr5cEjqntFyQoOQ9lobCubN7d Fhgw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSRmg/FzHIdMBiyqSw5+Ia+v8Vsp9o4ZewD4xlVJIFxF5uf8sY /wfafCakYhXWb0iYRzSIK4BLYxga/JpTyAnrzds= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzJn+y0YwW03MRK2Py+LAINyJUWE6zyHRJutDyDDn3ozfeab9Obf+FfV8Ta9M2F0/Q51GeFRAxNDnpqLufFQFE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8911:: with SMTP id b17mr1729846ion.287.1570215944662; Fri, 04 Oct 2019 12:05:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <614481A6-1C07-4C6A-AB86-10A6DEF1B5D2@gmail.com> <20190903174046.68f24735@hermes.lan> <30c6d641-b0e5-7a8f-103f-4d6f2ff0286b@sewingwitch.com> <877e6ooilc.fsf@taht.net> <20190903224900.6bd51c1c@hermes.lan> In-Reply-To: <20190903224900.6bd51c1c@hermes.lan> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: Stephen Hemminger Cc: Jonathan Morton , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Rigorous Coffee Shop Bloat Testing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 19:05:45 -0000 On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 10:49 PM Stephen Hemminger wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 06:24:07 +0300 > Jonathan Morton wrote: > > > > On 4 Sep, 2019, at 6:17 am, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > =E2=80=A6and people jump off of cable as soon as > > > they can get fiber... but that's due to the RTT more than the bandwid= th. > > > > And also due to the downright predatory pricing/billing practices of th= e typical cable ISP. I think an awful lot of people would take any viable = alternative at this point, purely due to that factor. Which is why cable i= ndustry lobbyists are doing their level best to kill municipal fibre. > > I am convinced that all the hype about 5G will die when people see how th= e > ISP's in the US will want to price it. They will certainly want to charge > a premium for 5G to avoid under cutting their current overpriced service. It's not just that, but nobody knows how much or how well ipv6 will roll out there, and I figure the 5G folk are into double nat and massive CGNAT use overall. Gamers are going to hate it, if it's like that. Have the 5G folk published anything regarding their ipv6 intentions? > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740