just stumbled across this old piece which links to some of the original discussions around what has become called bufferbloat since, and also had some links to papers I hadn't read. http://blogs.broughturner.com/2009/10/is-att-wireless-data-congestion-selfinflicted.html I'm curious as to who is monitoring 3G performance and latency to the extent mentioned in this piece. Would love trendlines going back a couple years.... this three parter was also pretty good: http://www.netcordia.com/community/blogs/terrys_blog/archive/2011/09/29/application-analysis-using-tcp-retransmissions-part-1.aspx The conclusion shows what happens when you start overrunning buffers in a high speed switch. http://www.netcordia.com/community/blogs/terrys_blog/archive/2011/11/02/rethinking-interface-error-reports.aspx Money quote on that: "So I went back to the network assessment tools that I used and found that the interfaces that were reported by my tools all had much higher percentage errors, but had very low data rates. The high-throughput interfaces that I found in the CLI output had error percentages that kept them from appearing in the top few pages of interfaces with high error percentages. While it is important to identify the high-percentage error interfaces (which also had low traffic volumes), it was the high volume interfaces that were impacting the applications that communicated across the network backbone. The interfaces that I was investigating had very high traffic volume, had hundreds of thousands of errors, and were key interfaces in the infrastructure. Now I had a clear understanding of my misconception in looking for interface errors. I had always thought that I should look for high percent errors. But here were key infrastructure interfaces that were exhibiting high errors, but because of the total volume transiting the interfcaes, their percentage was low, relative to other, low-volume interfaces. How should I handle this case?" -- Dave Täht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 FR Tel: 0638645374 http://www.bufferbloat.net