From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com (mail-ee0-f43.google.com [74.125.83.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6635D21F126; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ee0-f43.google.com with SMTP id c13so343038eek.16 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:57:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ub8IsBjftO9i1pwkdNTPnTORq5LzZtbDVE+lLg/rBrQ=; b=Z78LZj0Q8I8rbF+aKRKAXEnzLXeXMsY9AGBmy/sfQ9Z0Dn8Ko+xPJEi2sKyLdFBz8M 78gwxQ8b8UcGFuKKILo8FaBIctQoGB5tSUvPYpKkYIkXfr/EIePL935iwdg3NZMa4HuD pTf5j/v2bGtln/aQ53EY5jwvWydLYvNb2POL2IAuYf1jyGYoiHTZuNDxOYBcXbOItNYc mtqcYf7bFrI0wDTEhMUReOfjCVVJKAm3i3zJk+yWQIdLqqnej5UL3r9jbVj2Vx9m3FGb 8GKvrhAtkcacvbThC6MaqJYrvus4Jv1ac7AxICHUb1fLXfzNztUiMCSVFaV4LcZN+dby UNUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.199.134 with SMTP id x6mr3769150een.31.1352210219805; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.180.10 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:56:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121106134245.GB22409@khazad-dum.debian.net> References: <20121106134245.GB22409@khazad-dum.debian.net> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:56:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] RFC: Realtime Response Under Load (rrul) test specification X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:57:03 -0000 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2012, Dave Taht wrote: >> I have been working on developing a specification for testing networks >> more effectively for various side effects of bufferbloat, notably >> gaming and voip performance, and especially web performance.... as >> well as a few other things that concerned me, such as IPv6 behavior, >> and the effects of packet classification. > > When it is reasonably complete, it would be nice to have it as an > informational or better yet, standards-track IETF RFC. > > IETF RFC non-experimental status allows us to require RRUL testing prior = to > service acceptance, and even add it as one of the SLA metrics on public > tenders, which goes a long way into pushing anything into more widespread > usage. It was my intent to write this as a real, standards track rfc, and also submit it as a prospective test to the ITU and other testing bodies such as nist, undewriter labratories, consumer reports, and so on. However I: A) got intimidated by the prospect of dealing with the rfc editor B) Have some sticky problems with two aspects of the test methodology (and that's just what I know about) which I am prototyping around. Running the prototype tests on various real networks has had very "interesting" results... (I do hope others try the prototype tests, too, on their networks) C) thought it would be clearer to write the shortest document possible on this go-round. D) Am not particularly fond of the "rrule" name. (suggestions?) I now plan (after feedback) to produce and submit this as a standards track RFC in the march timeframe. It would give me great joy to have this test series included in various SLA metrics, in the long run. --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html