From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F133B2A4 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id y4-v6so10103379qka.5 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/4hdCaWt2TLzaMh1332oOv+j5VhGpFGIVi0xNnasCBc=; b=N7r2357NUNBh4s7sKlU7ZAh6gW1ipwrabvCbn1avdUwu71Co9QpJqJhkyN/K/7AFLK L0K0F2nvgiZK/yfRQ6lGRqoilu+1xQtmj3b0A2lNym55nq+RkhRO71V8fIB4Y4MD2B+o fT3WGh5K/3iegrQkfbHji7sVcsoljjcEkML9VxVSYgVLzNSvu+qP+sdyPW0LmDi/D2G8 foNLRlEJooKBcl0i1H9pDC9t2pNV01yF5sN22zrgsGvCQAXq8glyKXxuVvxfzXKHuxSj yMGGKughtVR3XxYwjUsKtVGiSOmcistzGiaKfL570lBHQQTV2qYBxgP5qfkNt/tQ+vVa Hjzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/4hdCaWt2TLzaMh1332oOv+j5VhGpFGIVi0xNnasCBc=; b=ds5gfiGwOHKevjJl3f8bhIEp+hG/Sz/otDuEYfdd15mTo6S1WeGKL4+30Il9y9sfE2 7rD/lrtWM9x8bZ+XAlP2OUrMo+D/YfLiDKOROBPkILWBMVXZVQtBOsd7dlM1fCUY+Exv cX/yjFDR92YOl/pfy5ATGwDMpSjbgPzamqFnz270stgRTF/bLOimY8ayGSMsz43VX2IU Bz35o5EQ3g2Sf4vDsENAW7WE0U/7c3VXGPsNRXfWtZH22+kq1xGiYKGiuN++vzv7RndA sypb+KWziR/UvYBVvL8a8frDXIupJsblv0hwTN+pFbNWeqs7RTkUEdmjJoMEuonS8fW5 WlvA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3saHMsDgrQYlGtamKtKY2486ct0284Sz3535GU/NjC7S5DKfL2 +tUSQxzxpto8aWKsFYffOamoPhlDxffTi13bdgg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKUMBme5lLx5X+v8LNpxlWXPOPuwE8bCLwH2PFK18Z61HjFqZrL1HoFdsr72ZXHGcpXZt3z1DxAtKIwSJv/mVU= X-Received: by 2002:a37:2801:: with SMTP id o1-v6mr11230320qkh.319.1529351864998; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:57:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:aed:24f0:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:57:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D3ADCCC-4E75-4DD8-8133-B10FA8165017@heistp.net> References: <4D3ADCCC-4E75-4DD8-8133-B10FA8165017@heistp.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: Pete Heist Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Eduard Grigorescu's thesis on reducing internet latency X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 19:57:45 -0000 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Pete Heist wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=3Duk.bl.ethos.737962 > > The thesis picks on me for not explaining fq_codel well enough and fails > to cite any of toke's work, and I'm unfond of the characterisation of rur= al > broadband as a 2mbit-only service, but aside from that... pretty good > thesis, > and a pretty good explanation of how fq_codel works. > > > In Czech, rural broadband seems to be dominated by WISPs. That=E2=80=99s = that > selfish reason why I want to understand bloat in these networks. Referrin= g > to a ten year old Czech article, Wikipedia says: > > "There were 879 Wi-Fi based WISPs in the Czech Republic as of May 2008, > making it the country with most Wi-Fi access points in the whole EU.=E2= =80=9D > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Internet_service_provider I think the british definition of "rural broadband" is dsl. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619