From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB2A2004D7; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibhr17 with SMTP id hr17so3422226wib.10 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1W0jM7K01Ib/EF5JBohS0+4djT1aVJYwWD8gDeYvqQI=; b=sgkwGurBbhIlxV42TVjbAqK1v3j+hp6VlPlIUf9BhQ5aB2ROVRj0RfSmBhX/y84+wQ mv/wbQbngJNAFOYfLIb8CXhKxNfazZzKGZ6LdygimN8aVCB6VwmzvBnZ0P4cyLujaj45 P+BUETOe09RF0xfAY4a5V+xmR9SFi1e/5SUpnkpcI4fOAm1KxFFWbxyiWuhImrsH8kXH 7jw8AQ2m5QrkYNsM8KFc9f5RAkwLSE7qcficSFKDaW5XQZuV8FzRscIy+HcQu1O74irX S7Ijem0CKEZkO8y/FN68yu99N+auoluSz8R4wJExvuUGVNizAHwr36uzN4Xi94OzWsXj RXDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.81.37 with SMTP id w5mr12543970wix.16.1332702161007; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.127.194 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:02:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F5C9194.9050105@visser.name> References: <4F5C9194.9050105@visser.name> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:02:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Jeremy Visser Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428dc0e5f57c04bc15e609 Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] adding voice/video testing to the mix? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:02:44 -0000 --f46d04428dc0e5f57c04bc15e609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Jeremy Visser wrote: > On 11/03/12 10:43, Dave Taht wrote: > >> A ton of people offered help at the time, but they all offered >> virtual boxes in places that had no native ipv6. It's kind of my hope >> that native ipv6 support in US data centers has improved since then? >> > > Does poo-pooing VPSes with non-native IPv6 also exclude VPSes with native > IPv6? > > If not, Linode is the option for you. They have DCs (Atlanta, GA or > Newark, NJ) on the East Coast with native IPv6. It was kind of my hope to get this off the ground in april. I have two conflicting desires: 1) be able to do create a conference server as useful infrastructure for supporting this project, with things like irc support and other oddities. My requirements for this was native ipv6, a conference server, some sort of gui, no pots gw was required. As the east coast would have the least latency overall, locating it there was highly desirable.... but then, there's: 2) be able to observe and fix problems at the ip layer with the new bql/aqm stuff against voip and tcp traffic in the real world.... I'm a big believer eating our own dogfood; I intend to update all of our main servers to run linux 3.3 with sfqred enabled (after another month's worth of testing, I'm crazy, but not that crazy), ... but I was not big on the idea of adding a voip server to huchra, or taking another piece of test gear (io.lab.bufferbloat.net) out of experimental and into a more production status, and in both cases, those boxes are located on the west coast. I HAVE been able to coax asterisk and freeswitch to work on openwrt in the past but somehow I doubt it's suitable for a conference server... it would be interesting to try as a conventional switch, but... it's on a conference server that problems become most readily apparent. So at the moment, I'm thinking the best idea is to put up a test server on the west coast to meet desire 2, and work towards a way to apply desires 2 and 1 on the east coast, eventually. In both cases I'm still kind of allergic to vms because that just eliminates a whole layer of control over the stack that we'd have if we pursued and abused the latest kernel. I would certainly like to observe vm behavior, but not for 3-6 months longer, after the underlying OS can also be updated to 3.3.... > ______________________________**_________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/**listinfo/bloat > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://www.bufferbloat.net --f46d04428dc0e5f57c04bc15e609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Jeremy = Visser <jeremy@v= isser.name> wrote:
On 11/03/12 10:43, Dave Taht wrote:
A ton of people offered help at the time, but they all offered
virtual boxes in places that had no native ipv6. It's kind of my hope that native ipv6 support in US data centers has improved since then?

Does poo-pooing VPSes with non-native IPv6 also exclude VPSes with native I= Pv6?

If not, Linode is the option for you. They have DCs (Atlanta, GA or Newark,= NJ) on the East Coast with native IPv6.

It was kind o= f my hope to get this off the ground in april.

I have two conflictin= g desires:

1) be able to do create a conference server as useful infrastructure fo= r supporting this project, with things like irc support and other oddities.= My requirements for this was native ipv6, a conference server, some sort o= f gui, no pots gw was required.

As the east coast would have the least latency overall, locating it the= re was highly desirable....

but then, there's:

2) be able= to observe and fix problems at the ip layer with the new=A0 bql/aqm stuff = against voip and tcp traffic in the real world....

I'm a big believer eating our own dogfood; I intend to update all o= f our main servers to run linux 3.3 with sfqred enabled (after another mont= h's worth of testing, I'm crazy, but not that crazy),

... b= ut I was not big on the idea of adding a voip server to=A0 huchra, or takin= g another piece of test gear (io.= lab.bufferbloat.net) out of experimental and into a more production sta= tus, and in both cases, those boxes are located on the west coast.

I HAVE been able to coax asterisk and freeswitch to work on openwrt in = the past but somehow I doubt it's suitable for a conference server... i= t would be interesting to try as a conventional switch, but... it's on = a conference server that problems become most readily apparent.

=A0So at the moment, I'm thinking the best idea is to put up a test= server on the west coast to meet desire 2, and work towards a way to apply= desires 2 and 1 on the east coast, eventually.

In both cases I'= m still kind of allergic to vms because that just eliminates a whole layer = of control over the stack that we'd have if we=A0 pursued and abused th= e latest kernel. I would certainly like to observe vm behavior, but not for= 3-6 months longer, after the underlying OS can also be updated to 3.3....<= br>

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