From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C47121F194 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id cc10so681263wib.17 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:28:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Og15M/npLAATE4Y6HwNMM5zSOufM0L3NxLYPrInh1M=; b=SIUShzxvU9Kru2DmMnWxAi69Zdwx739ft1WYysEeDPl3ErlStk6xdXjevNo8Ul+6VW rDjLMO8wOtXQ0ho/1PIIo0+cJWSyL/dmWqHymZ1t1TJpT3Sqk0Qb5OdcmJG6CHsgwm5s S7HYTeS88kUF36OQho/SASpqBn0NnKHtVdHa04YMrZmkae+vE3RwA8+YPKIXcmhekGbC BjKp+MAGw8JqwSnX9KFhJrMoHUr+DdRIqBdpb0rgcczrOaq9vUrwF88GH5ZnaL2PjEVR 1NjOoOeJv4KQcrmT0vd2p8hOqq3beTuK5G7R7ZLoIk0ek6kg8pUjiKJpmW5Ur1CEsMV8 kiVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.211.39 with SMTP id mz7mr2618366wic.53.1389965331376; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.123.69 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:28:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: "Eggert, Lars" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Ross Callon , Alaric Moore , bloat , "aqm@ietf.org" , Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] Nugget from IETF-1 proceedings X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:29:02 -0000 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Nothing new under the sun. Proceedings from the very first IETF meeting, = held 28 years ago today: > > "Nagle presented his 'fair queuing' scheme, in which gateways maintain se= parate queues for each sending host. In this way, hosts with pathological i= mplementations can not usurp more than their fair share of the gateway=92s = resources. This invoked spirited and interested discussion. Zhang pointed o= ut that this was a subtle change in architecture away from a pure datagram = network. Callon reminded everyone that he had written a paper advocating a = connection oriented Internet Protocol several years ago." > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/01.pdf, page 5 It actually starts at page 88. Reading the rest was great. Wow. What a wonderful piece of history! Thank you for digging that up! Seeing the problems they were trying to solve at the time was very revealin= g. "1000 nodes running at 9600 baud, with one outage every 5 minutes will only use 20% of the bandwidth for routing information" And nagles preso retains many cogent points, although I guess "source quench" was all the rage at the time. > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > aqm mailing list > aqm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html