[Bloat] tsiox almost gets fixing bufferbloat right on reddit

[Bloat] tsiox almost gets fixing bufferbloat right on reddit

[Dave Taht]

I am nervous about applying sch_fq in this scenario rather than
fq_codel but it is late - and honestly I have never tried what he
suggests, can't remember my handle on reddit, and the guy otherwise
gets it, in multiple postings on reddit elsewhere.

http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/2xm5gs/qos_policy/

Can I ask that someone else monitor reddit, and chat with this guy, so
I don't have to?

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Re: [Bloat] tsiox almost gets fixing bufferbloat right on reddit

[Rich Brown]

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It seems that tsiox (on Reddit) is advocating that people invert the usual shotgun approach of guessing which QoS policies to implement, and instead use the following steps if "the network is slow":

- The first line of defense is minimizing queues in the bottleneck routers. Using fq_codel, pie, or other traffic shaping policy really makes a huge difference without spending time on configuration.

- After the traffic shaping is in place, measure the traffic responsiveness. If you can tell that the traffic shapers aren't quite doing the trick, then implement QoS, but only for the critical traffic that needs prioritization. 

- And of course, you may actually need more bandwidth. (The example in the Reddit thread of 100 video feeds at 1Mbps - you're going to *require* a 100 Mbps feed. No amount of queue management, prioritization, etc. will help.)

Questions:

- Is this a good policy, properly stated? 
- Is it something we should espouse on the Bloat/CeroWrt sites?

Rich


On Mar 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am nervous about applying sch_fq in this scenario rather than
> fq_codel but it is late - and honestly I have never tried what he
> suggests, can't remember my handle on reddit, and the guy otherwise
> gets it, in multiple postings on reddit elsewhere.
> 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/2xm5gs/qos_policy/
> 
> Can I ask that someone else monitor reddit, and chat with this guy, so
> I don't have to?
> 
> -- 
> Dave Täht
> Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again!
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb
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Re: [Bloat] tsiox almost gets fixing bufferbloat right on reddit

[Dave Taht]

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems that tsiox (on Reddit) is advocating that people invert the usual shotgun approach of guessing which QoS policies to implement, and instead use the following steps if "the network is slow":
>
> - The first line of defense is minimizing queues in the bottleneck routers. Using fq_codel, pie, or other traffic shaping policy really makes a huge difference without spending time on configuration.
>
> - After the traffic shaping is in place, measure the traffic responsiveness. If you can tell that the traffic shapers aren't quite doing the trick, then implement QoS, but only for the critical traffic that needs prioritization.
>
> - And of course, you may actually need more bandwidth. (The example in the Reddit thread of 100 video feeds at 1Mbps - you're going to *require* a 100 Mbps feed. No amount of queue management, prioritization, etc. will help.)
>
> Questions:
>
> - Is this a good policy, properly stated?

I agree with your description above, however, based on his prior
experience with FQ technologies, he is recomending very short queues
used with sch_fq in his example script, and then documenting that
people's tcps didn't work as well as they could. All he needs to do is
change one line in the scripts he is distributing to his customers to
use fq_codel, and I think he'd be golden.

> - Is it something we should espouse on the Bloat/CeroWrt sites?

Well....

>
> Rich
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am nervous about applying sch_fq in this scenario rather than
>> fq_codel but it is late - and honestly I have never tried what he
>> suggests, can't remember my handle on reddit, and the guy otherwise
>> gets it, in multiple postings on reddit elsewhere.
>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/2xm5gs/qos_policy/
>>
>> Can I ask that someone else monitor reddit, and chat with this guy, so
>> I don't have to?
>>
>> --
>> Dave Täht
>> Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again!
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>



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