From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x242.google.com (mail-qk0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 324A53CB54 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x242.google.com with SMTP id o7so5342668qkc.1 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:37:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oWen8/8Q3Q4mboxUpTTSoTgZeBNG9TFKnPErgSmnbAs=; b=jNa4hYG7ZCFP7niDM16PuQP3bRS6I0DiG7Oe/Qy1RcONK53yKIyYWLlvCiifrJC4uk OdUu3MTVf6c2NDtSAhPTWlykPtOwbn2+uuxjhd0dHdN9oRznIwKkXHw8O54hZh0v79YA 2y4aKDp33IhgPzZQvgTUbIJLdJi88FZB6RTdz8vX+enfHUgwebkOc07LEzXNF6QGzadz 66Ib/09oYwK3VcAg/Kq5h0C6qkSPPVW9GTR/ZkNWOZ+qh547HPJ8nZf9VgcIAC27GbqE qWI4wvm9N+6V//eKm72RS2BJ9KMw3F4bJrJyW2vhSom/r9tl/xU87/RDOXe6engFWgph jUOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oWen8/8Q3Q4mboxUpTTSoTgZeBNG9TFKnPErgSmnbAs=; b=IE4BXUwKI7lIRjZwt5Cismn9rahA26zru8wkNqXcRM/bRrncRLivOmPfIM3/FvrV5i 4oQGr14BKKr2UqCAafLUl82nfdbQGTp3V3PXpo5CUFjbe2kUtUSnTrsC/1tXwi6QsK5f OiyrP8dTQMMBW0W8ZBZ06xzqc1Gkp2+AsETryn3vIbJ4xgpp7RoXMaf+Wb/O2eApujFQ z7eoG1iMIbytZ6nkg5m+hPOgysXP82ckzEfXDmRZ4NlHg7HixDjQXvBNmLfbBmxsGnaO lP43iNwtOXoMSqwCl1vYnleGe4vFmI9cIuHt9azdX3/qk8CY9t4yAbSDg4W0XvoBWPYm /N9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBhqcXgGBGQDx/U90CLPomPMpKfcSAqlHfyla8tCK8yUJ7mXowp P4svKFBs5anApgliDmxXuOxirQny0Lti+MjutG4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227F+wWiT75REZbfUWknvM1TH0mCzrREg0G15kqVU/kYc7V9tNNLs89/vqr2Rge3S0rlNI3eXZC2+hi6eLbM31o= X-Received: by 10.55.102.13 with SMTP id a13mr6096136qkc.75.1518464250645; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.168.213 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <91B34912-5EC6-4A91-8371-DF63C0439997@jonathanfoulkes.com> References: <91B34912-5EC6-4A91-8371-DF63C0439997@jonathanfoulkes.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:37:30 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Foulkes Cc: Jim Gettys , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:37:31 -0000 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Jonathan Foulkes wrote: > Wow, excellent post Jim! > > Great summary of the progress and status as of this date. > > It is indeed hard to believe more in the industry don=E2=80=99t get it or= if they > do, adopt it. Relevant today: https://rule11.tech/reaction-the-pace-of-innovation/ > > Also, loved this: =E2=80=9CHow many of you have successfully configured y= our home > router QOS page, without losing hair from your head.=E2=80=9D Which is wh= y the > IQrouter has no QoS UI, just a couple of buttons to re-start the automati= c > optimization run if you change service levels. Everything else is hidden. > > And there is some hope for ISPs, as a very Woke local ISP now rents / sel= ls > IQrouters to their users, as it was the only way to keep their rural DSL = and > Cable customers happy. But I had to spend four hours (across multiple > meetings) educating them on the topic of bufferbloat and its mitigations. I used to go to disbeliever's homes to set it up I'd hope that with more makers such as you, with in the game, could make bigger wins in the market. AT&T, for example, still has an enormous DSL base that they could sell new gear into. The market for GPON ONTs is hot, and that would be nice to tackle. Then there's 5G.... > > Thanks again, > > Jonathan Foulkes > CEO - Evenroute.com > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > > My version is up: dunno why the ietf web site doesn't have it up yet (It = was > supposed to go up 7pm ET). > > https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/ > > We will push this on social media first thing in the morning. Those of y= ou > in Europe, please do so as well (it's best to get the ball rolling in the > morning in Europe before the western hemisphere wakes up). > > Thank you all for all of your help. I have tried to credit everyone > appropriately as best I can. > > All the best, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619