From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 648543B29E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id w6so12443582ilg.1 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wfUM6fUyZqOrjspFTdXv7QIxH0Do1ZNI5SHPT4s6qsI=; b=Yro/Ybgo0/l7P1riTAWHMMPPMDzyGxNQdN4LA6l9fM7TMg052R/QPC19cwvPkbo2k2 3SnMi+V9DJH/TifNq38B4O6KT2sLP5SsIZzPJ/vZKiy6ssNdAgvxPr/znXtMko+nOh3B cBuXe+NBcSDoSPvwdKqBSd91AIA425dxaDzQcnJjODSDfJR+t28sivaNaTk4DPoBkmoi C3xkZ//X6zNtx69RG21R0plxDODMgKmDiKhh3TYwRkl+90eewudYsioqY2RmXCi760XG A0L3rXzi+cGCr5DYYxsQOM09kfGdxOefR2YZkRn0znqRv+Q3+Ppx+RqJZBiH2jGiFvjE zZsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wfUM6fUyZqOrjspFTdXv7QIxH0Do1ZNI5SHPT4s6qsI=; b=VLQlkZ84SFO1+7vEZdpXgiolK968pTsNYCKgeBcZgU3OdIqzzDAqPVrH2MAQeJ3fHn 3eQJkdiIi0H09sK50f1zuTlluncm1QKr7+kzC/EF4ol44kQ/7QfjrX0IjdAhCyG61hiD 3Tp4++zUa5+V7lsPT+mu546lGK8KX+2Nr3Dfw9rVwYeuyj1JFXYjtH2z0WALIU11kb20 rgk8+RGAsrO5bPn1XEkdODeTzICsDboMuKihl9SO/uGCLgUA1daUvdvwqG4V7HqPWHIu mOhpNBmQdzAZFb/Fd3RdLyFONIUwBxYmgNZ6/QDG8exdhhsUllODc+dCjUb8mACBq/gS ZxrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Publi38s/rbq5hRxE+aSNClydkUTmefshmmegi2j/KfC22xiOpQc 6P9f/7ypEu2M5nFFQLH88kaBlfZsAvfG9/9o3Go= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJo/VT50jvt9cHgqd1yo3HB0Z2ZiDZv7olY1+jqlbVW9ApCRlfVUb57Js/sRz052Kq0GX6VK43ZzDpIWK9PkZE= X-Received: by 2002:a92:dc0d:: with SMTP id t13mr14081313iln.287.1587830161889; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <431A84397F3D9C1EB097BCCE@[172.27.17.193]> <6F1F3C646A7DFD2CC8C9E79E@172.27.17.193> <0B51625096F92AF18CD397D9@[172.27.17.193]> <8f4566dd-def0-cd97-45db-577784f90efd@sewingwitch.com> <9FDDBB5C-68CF-45B1-85D8-3A7BD6CB9F31@gmail.com> <3D2F4A70BAB1774D1EFDC641@[172.27.17.193]> <025E1E0E1D49D3C95FFD4035@[172.27.17.193]> <03E39523-C125-4A03-A514-30CA4E361225@gmail.com> <5a5e8533-bce0-5570-b3e9-922a00f21bbe@sewingwitch.com> In-Reply-To: <5a5e8533-bce0-5570-b3e9-922a00f21bbe@sewingwitch.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Kenneth Porter Cc: bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:56:02 -0000 On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:53 AM Kenneth Porter wrot= e: > > On 4/25/2020 8:32 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > It would be a useful test for an intrepid windows administrator to > > actually enable ecn fully and see what breaks in their > > vpn, smb, and rdp implementations, and across their remote workforce, > > and observe any difference in QoE. I have long > > tried to get one drunk enough to deploy ecn across their windows > > infrastructure without any success. > > I can easily do it for myself, now that I know where that setting hides. > Is there reason to make others do it or is it sufficient that I be the > only guinea pig here? You would be the first person in the history of the bufferbloat effort, to attempt enabling ecn more fully on windows, and observing the results on real traffic and real traffic types. be prepared to take a lot of packet captures. /me passes the vodka > > > > since (I think?) the proposed vpn traffic is client -> server (?) not, > > clients -> router -> server, each individual using this link > > over the vpn will tend to get their own queue, and a big upload or > > download through their openvpn will tend to "do them in", > > because openvpn has lousy queue management internally... and (when > > last I looked), windows itself had not a lot of backpressure when > > dealing with that device. > > I'm using openvpn to avoid exposing raw RDP servers to the Internet. I > still don't trust MS enough to allow a Windows box directly connected to > the Internet. So it's Win10(@home) -> openvpn(client on Win10 @home) > ->openvpn(Linux router @office)->Win10(@office). I think another user > may use RDP's file transfer capabilities, but I personally use a > separate ssh (scp) connection for that. I have no problem with command > lines. > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --=20 Make Music, Not War Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729